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Feedback Ideas for improving the separation between non-AP and AP discussions

Discussion in 'Suggestions / Comments / Criticisms / Problems' started by Admin Team, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. Admin Team

    Admin Team Administrators Admins

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    Hello folks,

    We've been receiving a lot of reports lately, mostly centered around AP-related discussions that non-AP members are finding disruptive in non-AP related threads.

    We had originally attempted to tackle this by introducing AP sub-forums for each forums to help separate the two different types of discussions.

    However, we've noticed that there are still clashes between AP and non-AP folks.

    So we would like to open the floor for ideas on how to better tackle these clashes to reduce the number of reports.

    For example, we could add a clarification in the non-AP sections that they are specifically for non-AP-related discussions, and then limit the AP-related discussions in those non-AP related threads since they would be "off-topic". That way, AP-related posts and replies would be focused in the AP sub-forums, and the non-AP related posts and replies would be focused in the non-AP related sections, thereby reducing the clashes between both groups. This would mean that discussions in the non-AP related sections would not be open to repeated criticism for being non-AP, whereas non-AP related discussions in the AP sub-forums would be fair game for such criticism.

    We wouldn't want this abused, so if folks in the non-AP sections are promising others that they will win money in the long-term, then perhaps that type of specific claim could be open to criticism by the AP folks even in the non-AP threads, but anything short of such specific claims would not be open to repeated criticism since those discussions would already be taking place in the non-AP sections where it's a given that they would not earn money in the long-term.

    The second word in our slogan is "Comprehensive", so we definitely want to be as inclusive as possible and provide a safe-haven for non-AP-related discussions just like we do for AP-related discussions while minimizing disruptions and reported posts.

    We want to be fair to everyone, so how does such a solution sound? Any other ideas?
     
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  2. jbs

    jbs Well-Known Member

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    The problem is you have all of these non-AP's, mostly in the roulette and baccarat threads, posting complete garbage andvl trying to say that "this is how you beat the game." It's complete utter trash and makes the site look bad. I'm all for reading these treads, but the bull about them being how you beat casino games has to stop. It doesn't work, and never will work otherwise they'd be making money and not here.
     
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  3. Sharptracker

    Sharptracker Well-Known Member

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    Maybe some post that are always up in the dedicated forum where it is explained why the game cannot be beaten. Maybe explaining what it is possible to do and what is not...

    You're talking about non AP but it's something else i think... Some people are addicted to the idea that it is possible to make money easily and durably despite what probability is and instead to simply think about a system in order to have fun, gamble. They could be trolls in a math forum, explaining them that it is possible tomorow 1+1=3 because a man and a woman can have a child as they allready said here.
     
  4. TurboGenius

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    There are "AP" sections in the forums, but the "AP" people choose not to use them.

    What they think they do is "secret" and information is only to be shared among other
    "AP" professionals... so I wouldn't expect them to discuss anything relevant in the open
    or in a separate "AP" section of a sub-forum.
    That leaves them with little more to do than bash people who don't follow their way of
    thinking - ridicule them constantly in threads and always try to promote their way and themselves
    as "above and beyond" what those silly system people are doing.
    Meanwhile of course they are here reading and trying to improve their play using ideas from
    the very people they claim are so "below them" in skill.
    It's just trolling basically - (the ignore feature works wonders).

    Logically, if you are a AP player (or "unicorn hunter") - you have NO NEED whatsoever to be
    on a forum where discussions of winning are the topics. You're already the Advantage Player !!!
    It's as silly as Tiger Woods going to a mini-golf course and watching the kids play, and when
    the ball hits the clown's face he would immediately bash the kids for trying to win.
    Why would he be there ????? He's a professional player at a mini-golf course !!!!
    They aren't "AP" - they are trolling, and beyond that - abusing posters who DO contribute -
    the entire time pretending to not need their information, and call it all nonsense.
    Take Sir Anyone - he can visually detect bias wheels and then exploit them.....
    that's what he does. Now why on earth (or any planet) would he be interested in
    reading posts about "bet x when y happens but only for z spins" etc etc.
    It's nothing he needs to even think about, waste time with... but here he is.
    It's because A) Those "AP" players need the system people who have legit ideas
    and contribute and B) They can't say this, the only road left is trolling - pretending to
    be on the high horse that doesn't exist when in reality they are no better off.

    How to avoid these clashes ? No idea.
    I choose to ignore them once they sink to the point where there's 0% value in their
    posts and be done with it. The fact that people have emailed me that they don't want to
    post here because of these people insulting them (potentially) is a big problem.
    A separate "AP" section doesn't work - banning "AP" talk from the other 99% of people
    here probably won't work... theoretically they could just be quiet and read what's being
    explained without commenting - but we all know getting that "attention" is important to them.
    (Also important to them that they appear to be "above everyone else" in experience and
    success). It's strange.
     
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  5. Sharptracker

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    You cannot deny that it is a sub forum, it is not in front of the scene as the main forum is. As i said if you're not an AP, you should see the game as a game, you could see it to last longer as much as possible... why not if you have time to lose but absolutely not a way to take money durably with a negative edge... That's why i suggested a topic that still stay up where it explains what reality is. This is not that i want everyone to not bet anything but i know that if anyone knows about what reality is, he could at a moment leave up. Most important is to know what you face and what is due. To know what is possible and what is not.

    Sputnik 's library is available for anyone i guess.
     
  6. Frodo

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    Typical AP crap post. What do you have against people discussing and testing ideas on an open forum?
    I have never entered an AP thread and abused it or trashed it with gifs and sighs.
    You guys are simply incredible.
    The ignore button works wonders, i will add you to the list.
    How to better put it: you don't like it, don't open the thread. Don't comment. Stay away from it. Listen to a music you like. Relax. Life is beautiful.
    Why do you feel the need to attack people that don't agree with you? It's redundant. Enjoy your winnings.
    As open minded and respectful one can be, everything has a limit.
    Now in regards to the solution to this nonsensical "war".
    I would like to have the option as the thread initiator to remove any offtopic crap. At the moment i had to place people on the ignore list, but that is a temporary solution.
    In a perfect world where adults would live up the norm, this discussion would never take place. We are different. That does not mean we can be rude and disrespectful to the others.
    Regards, John
     
  7. Admin Team

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    Hi Folks,

    We have taken everyone's feedback on board and have decided the following. Although no one is getting everything they've asked for, we've opted for a balanced approach that incorporates elements from everyone.

    Effective immediately, repeated AP-related feedback on non-AP-related threads (e.g. those outside of the respective AP sub-forums) will be considered violations of Rules #2 (No Disruptive Behavior) and #7 (No Off-topic Posting) and will be sanctioned accordingly.

    On the other hand, to make it clear to everyone that Threads outside the AP Forums are not EV+ discussions, we have added a notice in each of the non-AP Forums to make that abundantly clear. This notice can be dismissed by each individual member once they've read it if they do not wish to be continuously reminded of it. Furthermore, if a member in the non-AP forums is making explicit and specific claims that folks will earn money long-term with a non-AP form of play, then that specific type of wording will be open to criticism by AP members even if they take place in a non-AP section and such criticism will not be sanctioned for violating any rules.

    Thank you all for your feedback.
     


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