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Poker If Turn is a Blank & Raised 1 Pair Usually No Good!

Discussion in 'Poker Forum' started by Thomas Gallagher, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. Thomas Gallagher

    Thomas Gallagher Member Lineage to Founders

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    You KK standard raise 1 or 2 callers. Flop: 7 T Q. You bet 1/3 pot one player calls! Turn is a blank (2) Board: 7. T. Q 2
    You bet 1/2 or 2/3 pot & you are raised! CAUTION!! Assume opponent is not calling twice chasing a two outer (2) they hit the flop & waited till Turn to raise. By viewing the flop they called you preflop a with: Pair. TT QQ perhaps 77 & hit set or called with TQ & hit 2 pair. You likely need to hit K 0r two runners for straight. Remember you will also have a river decision & you are out of position! This is where folding will save you $$$$! Of course knowing your players will help with your decision. Key to remember: "If raised on turn & turn was a blank usually one pair won't win"
     
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  2. TEACH (AlSpath)

    TEACH (AlSpath) Active Member Founding Member

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    Every hand you play, every situation you get yourself into, stop and think about what happened PRE-FLOP!

    Who raised, how much did they raise, what position did they raise from, what is their table image, what have you seen the past hour or however long you have been at the table, what is your image, how much money does the raiser have, what is the real value of your holding, what do you need to flop or not to flop to win, and what is your flop, turn, river strategies, if called, raised, or re-raised.

    Have a game plan that fits and be alert. As Thomas mentioned above, many times an innocuous card comes off and you like it, but then suddenly your opponents comes over the top of you. Most cases they trapped you, on occasion (as is the example above), a wise player might use that to convince you to fall (if you are a bit of a NIT also, not saying Thomas is, but some will be), or they are savvy and put you on a hand like AK or TT and the board did not help you, so they fire back with maybe only a KQ or draw (KT). This is where you go back to the PRE-FLOP action and figure out the logical type cards they must hold.

    Ask yourself questions like: I raised 3.5 bb and would she call me with KT, QJ and no other players in the pot? or, would they just call having position and make a move on me (due to my image), on the turn? Are they capable of this, or am I imagining they are a better player than I thought.

    Love to hear Dave, Doug, and others chime in on this one also. Good topic.
     
  3. Jimmydean

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    also what are the suits did the turn produce a flush draw to where say AK, AJ or JK suited called on a small draw but gained more outs?
    i also like when Al speaks because he pretty right on with his analogy of any scenarios given, in this scenario u are initial raiser but what are the positions of the players that called, where in tourney are we, early, mid or close to bubble.....what are the chip stacks prior to the preflop action?
    How much of your stack is invested and what are the blinds, how many BB's are u left with if you fold,

    This is a good question but not enough information to give a good response to it...
     
  5. ronald spaner

    ronald spaner New Member Founding Member

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    well the beauty of this game is not only what there image is but what they think your image is. So Al was spot on you have to ask your self how much was bet preflop and would they play a q ten a pair of 7s queens ect. So the first thing I have to ask my self is this player that good that if his 7s hit a set that he would wait till the turn to make his move and the only way your going to know is based on how he has been playing before is he a good player or he makes some moves that are good and most of the time he is straight foreward if you have those ans you can come up with an ans. but the old addage still stands when in doubt go out.
     
  6. ronald spaner

    ronald spaner New Member Founding Member

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    There is something else that has helped me in this situation to understand what this player is up to and that is his raise, if he is a good player you have to ask your self why is he raising if he knows I have a good hand. The ans is rt in frt of us more than likely our kings our beat and based on the board its most likley a set.
     

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