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Baccarat I'll just leave this here.... Baccarat is a Money Game

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by CarloDarlo, Oct 27, 2020.

  1. Rustyshackleford

    Rustyshackleford Active Member

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    My system has never failed with a allocated bankroll .
     
  2. soxfan

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    I'm currently testing two style, and both purely mechanical, objective what don't require one to impose any nonsensical stop win/loss, hits and run, limit exposure. Been testing a strict anti-streaks style buckin up against 23 000 tested shoe showin a nets profits of just a wee bits better than 3 units per shoe. Also testin a pure bet flats style and showin a total nets profits so far of 3795.35 unit buckin up against 3526 tested shoe. It ain't rocket science baby, hey hey.
     
  3. Nathan Detroit

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    Lung yeh 2 1 2 HPB series beats many positive progressions. Very conservative despite its length.
     
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  4. soxfan

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    Query, how many shoe did it take for the cat and his baccarats team to burn their bankroll. And, with 100k lifes time bankroll what was their base units bets, hey hey?
     
  5. fathead

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    soxfan you are right about that. This is why Commission Baccarat is the best game in the casino, you get to bet with the house if you wish (Banker) and so you win more bets than you lose even if you bet both Banker and Player.

    I ran my Live shoe database just now as an example. I used Follow the Last as bet selection. You had 100,074 wins, 99573 losses.

    I will pay 5% commission all day long to win more bets than I lose, especially when I am trying to clear a Labby string. lol
     
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  6. CarloDarlo

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    You are correct with this that is why you need a big bankroll versus a smaller bankroll. When the downturns show up you will have enough bankroll to "Fight back". People do this in Stocks all the time...


    Soxfan, I agree with a mechanical bet selection I really do. But what I dont do is deploy it mechanically itself. The whole everything works until it doesn't applies to every bet selection. So I have a couple pre disposed bet selection but deploy them in a random order. This lets you avoid "death patterns".

    The problem with it is when the variance rolls in and your bet selection is getting drilled.. Your small bankroll will get wiped. I'm not sure about you I'm not a fortune teller.... So I have no clue how long that is going to last. So you need the required bankroll to gear up against and win your lost wages + a profit back eventually.
     
  7. CarloDarlo

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    That's the lottery mentality. I found it goes away once you start making crazy money. It's like look I can jack myself off playing for 1 Million - 10 Million prizes or go for the smaller returns compounded.

    See what most people don't realize is that the casino is working on a small edges on most games. On others they drilling the player. But they do lose but over the course of so many days those small gains are what makes them a winner end of the year.

    It's the reason why Stations Casino here in Vegas. Pounds out these flyers every god damn day. They rather have the steady local clientele. Then the million dollar high rollers.

    The High Rollers can cream them with Hit and Runs. But the masses from there combined Coin In and Coin Out allows a larger sample size for the house edge to work its magic.

    That is also why I tell people are to limit there playing time. It's not hocus pocus. You will avoid certain situations that may show up later but you avoided on that day. Everyday you can avoid BS the more you can stack BR and have money to recoup when bad shit DOES happen.
     
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  8. CarloDarlo

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    See I like quick money. That's the Get Rich Slow Money. Isn't the entire appeal of gambling to make atleast somewhat money fast?

    The problem is people got that Min - Max Mentality.

    It's either I'm going to make.. if i'm lucky in stocks 8% Adjusted for Nightmares or I want to hit Mega Bucks at the casino baby.

    Like I don't know about you. But i've walked into a casino on January 1st and made 8% of my money the first day walking into the casino. I could of hung up the gloves and waited next year and that's stock market returns.

    The only people getting rich from the market is people who are already loaded, trust fund babies, Inside Traders. Those kids doing forex are scamming for groups and signals. And the kids doing options will blow there account up like a grand marty 9 step.

    They have cats like Buffet but he got deals that won't apply to today now.

    Even getting the next Amazon stock is lotto mentality. So your forced to go into Sp500 index funds for 5%-8% and that's for long term not when you cash out.

    What if your retirement date was in March 2020? Well the crash just delayed your entire life.

    But definitely multiple streams of income are the play. But definitely don't load up on all stocks.
     
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  9. Rustyshackleford

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    how much wisdom can a goat have? JBS is right all depends on the shuffle, but i have the secret Sauce!!
     
  10. Nathan Detroit

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    As long as every one is happy. The 5% who go home as winners , the casino operators ,and the ones enjoying their prepaid comps.
     
  11. soxfan

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    I gotta say that I don't like makin the subjective decision at the tables regarding the bs, mm and progression cuz it too mentally taxing. And worse, if makin those subjective play is gettin you clipped then yer more likely to go on tilts, hey hey.
     
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  12. Nathan Detroit

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    Having chosen only one of the options 'B" and applying the Ling Yeh newly adapted 2 1 2 HPB series there are no problems for any one with half of their brain tied behind the back.
     
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  13. CarloDarlo

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    You can lead a horse to water, But you can't make him drink.
    You can lead a man to knowledge, But you can't make him think. ;)
     
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  14. Rustyshackleford

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    ARGGG!!!!
    again i tells ya i have the secret sauce, tell me Carlo does your system beat the casino? what is your system? tell me your system? and i might share my system....do i need to explain how powerful my system is?
     

  15. CarloDarlo

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    I was saying lets say I had a win goal of 4u. I would have for arguments sake 3 bet selections.

    So before I go to the casino I will have a template of how i'm going to deploy my 3 bet selections prior to the visit. So no thinking required. All the thinking is done before hand.

    BS#1 Fade Streaks of 3, BS#2 Fade streaks of 6 BS#3 wait for 2 virtual losses against predetermined pattern then bet.

    I would then "Scramble" up how I start betting the above Bet Selections. Lets say I start with Bet Selections 3,3,1,3

    That only applies to that day / unit goal I went for. So once I hit 1u. I dead that system until I hit my next unit. All the way down the line.

    It would take a bust of luck across 3 different bet selections deployed randomly each day to take you out.

    When the bust does occur you will need the bankroll to recoup.

    Get together a bunch of bet selections that you've found in testing that don't lose very often in a row. Lets say you got 12 of them.

    Then get together a money management system that recovers prior losses but isn't all or nothing every time you do it... avoid the marty 1,2,4,8,16for 1u in ONE SHOT isn't the way. Customize the Labby, 6 point divisor hp johnson etc. etc.

    Set a small goal to your bankroll and if the goal isn't life changing money lets say $20 profit. Do multiple shoes a day to reach desired results.
    Once you have the bankroll fall back on the amount of bets. This will tame R:R in the short term which leads to better success in the long term.

    When I first started I went for 4u profit multiple times a day. Sometimes shooting for 35u days. The problem is you'll see a lot of nightmarish shit this way. So once you got the money reduce the amount of bets.

    Being vague because else is fill in the blanks on stuff I won't supply. Even though Bet Selections revolve 50/50 in 1 Million, 1 Billion hands doesn't mean jack to me unless it tames the abundance of losses strings while getting there.
     
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    I know. I mean I agree.

    I'm currently conducting an experiment between flat betting at 2 with rated games at R-Sim. I'm at around 41 games so far and have basically broken even with swings up above even and below even. You can see this in my bet selections and values between 360 and 420. That's broken down into 20 unit bets straight up on numbers. I even did a few rounds of double dozens where you can see how they are far more volatile.

    After 50 games are done flat betting at ( 2's ) I will switch to my own version of John Patrick's "Up & Pull" where I go between ( 2, 1, ) & ( 1, 2, ).

    So there will be times when it looks like ( 2, 1, 2, ).

    I basically will be still playing my 3 / 7 Reading Randomness style with a "Rated Game" limit at 3,000 units for each game. 400 X's 7 = 2800. So bets will be from 180 to 220 at 10 unit chips or 360 to 440 with 20 unit chips. I also doubt that I will use double dozen as they have proven to be too volatile at times. As you can see they tend to dig fast holes in the bankroll.

    So my win goal for each session will change to around 500+ for each 3 net win. Each 7 net loss will still be around 3,000 because I will be using 2's to recover at times.

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  17. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, Carlos, Nice to hear ur suggestions regarding Random bet selection, for each day, with a Stop win of 4 units,per shoe but what about Stop loss
    Secondly if u lose 1st bet Do u play flat for total five bets( u had mentioned earlier) if neg then go to Marty/Labby ?
    Thirdly e.g u play fading three streak, means 3 in a row will not form 4 , if it loses U lose 1 unit, What is ur next trigger to place a bet,& MM incorporated ?
    Last, Can u quote some patterns examples which don't lose very often in a row, thanks a lot
     
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    Let's keep what works for each of us personally... including that secret sauce...
     
  19. CarloDarlo

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    It depends how I planned my bet selection for the day. But most days I begin the session flat betting. Then roll into my progression system.

    You gotta understand that bet selection and progression usually run hand in hand. Example. You wouldn't want to run a marty doing follow last decision.

    I've said more on this forum then I intended. Sorry I wont go into my bet selection for personal reasons.

    Just do some testing and try the ones that dont run alot of losses in a row.

    ;) Agreed.
     
  20. MikeW

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    I got near a thousand dollars a day in real Casino. not method (yes, it is very important) only, also moods control, money management etc. You fight only with yourself, and yes, you fight only against with yourself too.
     

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