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Exoter said this very same thing about a week ago. He said that he is banned from WoV so cant go on the site to read the PM he sent to me. I left the dumass hanging on that one because I was laughing so hard. But now I'm going to expose even more of exoter's sheer stupidty. One of the things exoter told Axel, Mathextremist, RS and the others in the "Guy claims to have invented a BJ betting system" thread at WoV was that he had been tested for intelligence and was found to be in the top .2% in the world in intelligence, not 2%, but .2%. Therefore, he was the one that was right.

Now, for the post exoter sent to me entitled "Educate Me" here is the message. It was sent to me on Sept 30, 2015, two days after exoter joined the site. First, he quoted me from a post I had made on WOV. Here is that quote:

"And he also has no soul if he is willing to take his secrets to the grave and not let future generations know his secrets and techniques. When a person masters something and doesn't pass it on to future generations then in my opinion that person is a miserable son of a bitch."

This was in a post I made after taking criticism from a few AP's because of my writing about machine plays. But exoter used it to try to coax information out of me. Here is what he said in the post:

"Shed some light on the younger generation about some of these plays you have up in Montana that are undoubtedly elsewhere, especially in the midwest where I roam. The stories you tell are fascinating and knowing what I know, believable back in those times, but shed some light on me with "today's" hustles, angles and plays. I know a lot of them, and I'm always on the lookout for more but I'm sure a lot of them are staring me in the face. Give me a page or two out of your playbook, I'd like to learn from the best, though most consider me the best where I'm from."

His post was certainly polite enough. He seemed to be praising me for my willingness to teach plays. Since I was banned from WoV I could read the message but couldn't respond to it. If I were to be in contact with exoter it would have to be through another route. Perhaps we would run into each other in another forum. But then over the next month I watched as exoter became combative, vulgar and extremely insulting to other AP's on WoV. He did this to the point that he was banned. He lasted just short of one month.

In his post to me he had no issue about me teaching plays. He actually used it to try to gain information from me. But look at what he posts here today. He's trying to shame me from teaching plays. That's why he's phony as a three dollar bill.

And one more comment about the man who has described himself as having a genius IQ. Gentlemen, how many of us on this site have been banned from WoV? Several of us, right? We know that when you are banned then you are only banned from posting but are still a member of the site and can go there and read through the threads....and even receives messages through your inbox. But in the quote above you can clearly see that exoter hasn't figured this out yet. He thinks he can't go there and read through the threads. If he is a genius then he is one of the dumbest geniuses I've ever come across.

 

Exoter was banned from WoV on Oct. 26, 2015. In one of his final posts he said "I literally do not give a flying fornication how I'm perceived on a forum full of degenerate gamblers, false prophets, whack job mathematicians, and crooks looking for an angle." And you can bet your ass that's how he also feels about members of Gamblingforums.com.

BBB's post where she banned exoter after he continued to insult the shit out of every member of WoV:

"Yeah, your right, we're done here. Everybody who has engaged with you or ever asked a question is trolling you (sarcasm). You single handedly saved us from a moribund online existence (more sarcasm). Time for you to stop using other people's good names to vouch for you when you've never met them. Time for you to stop trolling the forum for partners and moneymen. And time for you to stop threatening the owners of the site with your specious claims. Good luck to you and your AP career."

Some comments about exoter's banning:

rxwine "Good Riddance."
evenbob "....got rid of an AP that is irreplaceable here. He said so himself."
WON "thank you."
mcallister3200 "The most narcissistic and delusional poster in a history of many of them in forum land, truly a legend."
MrV "Should have punched his ticket before now; his agenda was clear, his motives impure, his aim errant."

Oddly enough, exoter's banning indirectly affected kewlj's banning from the site. 1BB was always the devils advocate on WoV. He suggested that anyone that wanted to continue to read exoter could do so on Norm's site. That's when kewlj posted that he would not recommend Norm's site to anyone. And that's what led to kewlj's troubles with Shack.

ADMIN, exoter twice threatened to sue WoV if his posts were not removed. He claimed copyright over them. Just sayin.'

 

You're telling ME that IIIIIIIIIIII Need to be honest? That's a joke. I"m far more honest than you, and I have never had anything to hide. All of my life people have loved me and hated me for being brutally upfront honest about everything.

Lay off the sauce mickey.

It isn't a speech, Mickey. I know more hustlers than you do, none of them has ever had a bad runin with me except for one who was so threatened by my presence, he threatened to get me kicked out and actually went to security to tell them I was an AP.

I've got a phone full of guys with the last name of "Casino" and "Hustler" in my contacts list.

What's more impressive, is that you think for some reason, you can blackball me from others. You don't have that kind of pull, Mickey, you're fucking delusional if you think that. I've asked around from Vegas to AC, and from Canada to Mexico, nobody knows who you are. So you either don't go by Mickey Crimm, or you simply haven't been relevant for years.

Post the picture of the whole PM Mickey, not excerpts, you're losing credibility. Also, post your posting history from around that time. Was there no a thread you were posting about at the EXACT same time, giving away plays?

What's more likely, me asking you for a play because I know you're a guy who knows something, or me asking a guy about a claim he's been making from an otherwise barren state, and trying to get him to tell me what's going on, so I could make heads or tails of whether or not this guy was a liar, and whether or not he's one of those guys who burns plays because he's a jackass.

Also, you claim that you taught me something. What did you teach me?

Again, you had no issue posting a picture of a header, why not post a picture of the actual body of the message? Post your posting history around the same time, too.

You're looking damned foolish right now, might want to bring your boy in with his Mickey's beer tracker, to make that 3-0, because you're going to have a hard time backpedaling from your claims if you actually did man-up and post the body of the message alongside your posting history.

Way to cherrypick the comments, Mickey. Why not quote Moses, Tringlomane, and others that supported my posts?

Sure, I'll make no bones about it, I did not have fans over at WoV, and I really don't have a great many fans over at BJTF, especially with me criticizing the immortal Don S, but don't pretend for a moment that my banning over at WoV had ANYTHING to do with me being an AP.

It literally had everything to do with BBB not liking that I cussed on the forums, and me skirting around posting rules, and criticizing her after she gave me a temporary ban, immediately after it came off.

The fact that you'd defend and support BBB is evidence enough that you've lost your mind lol.

 

Here you go, ignoramus.

 

It is my opinion that exchanging information with exoter175 on AP plays is a negative expectation situation. You won't like the results. It is my recommendation that AP's steer clear of exoter175 for any kind of business situation.

 

And the other part........Ignoramus?

You don't carry enough, or any weight with others to make that distinction. Further, I've never burned you or any other AP in doing so, and I've likely interacted with more of them than you.

You need to let other people make their own minds up, Mickey, because you can't control how they think, and until I do you wrong in any way, you don't have a pot to piss in to call that shot, other than your ego being bruised.

 

3-0 end of second.

 

I was banned from WoV long before you showed up there. Though I'm allowed to read PM's sent to me I'm locked out from responding to them or editing them in any way. I simply took a picture of the PM you sent me....in it's entirety. It's the only PM you ever sent me.

 

I'm not a miserable bastard,I actually the opposite, I just don't like to share everything publicly because the next thing you know you have guys like______<insert someone's name you think is a bozo< running around saying and doing obnoxious, idiotic dumb stuff. Then they tell their friends, and they tell their friends, and so on. It too often helps educate the wrong people including wannabe dumb AP's. (The Plaza owner told me he reads casino and gambling message boards)

I'm certain the darksiders are well behind and they know very little compared to what has been and is actually going on. Oftentimes they learn from loose lipped AP's(including message boards). I would much rather pick and choose who I tell what I tell them without everyone reading about it. If it's completely dead and it's not something that actually shows up then I don't care or mind. However some stuff (promotions) still show up.
For instance, if they still had a bunch of higher limit coin machines around I wouldn't want people talking about machine jackpot salting, it was way to valuable at one time. After Dancer seen it in action he wrote about it. Had that been talked about online it would've ended immediately because only a few casinos did it. IIRC one of the chains had C&D consulting. They definitely had a darksider working with them.


If someone is truly interested and worthy of Advantage Play they can go the extra mile and do what it takes to learn and network privately.

The more people that get involved in AP the the quicker the casinos react and the harder it becomes. I seriously don't want a thousand extra weekend warriors all snatching up 1000 small meaningless pieces of the pie especially as a hobby. Then it's not worth it for anyone. Perhaps that's why BJ and other stuff isn't as good as it used to be.

 

The one thing I know about all AP's is that one time in their lives they were all ignorant as a motherfucker. They had no clue about AP'ing. But then someone, probably an older guy, taught them AP. Now the young punk knows AP. His attitude is that "now that I know about it you assholes don't expose my gig to the the public. Keep your mouths shut about it. I'm the privileged one who knows about AP."

This is the type of shitheads I know. Bags of shit. These type of AP's can kiss my ass forever. No class bums. I teach the shit to the younger generations. If there is a punk ass piece of shit on this planet that don't like it then that son of a bitch is welcome to kiss my ass at high noon on Main Street.

 

Long before I showed up? That's a lie. Show us the posting history around that time Mickey, as you'll see, you had a post going about a machine giving away the play, and then posted on there that you were getting old, retired in Montana and were making a fortune up there.

Being the non-believer that I am, I went straight to you to give me an idea what it might be that you're doing up there, because the numbers you were talking about, weren't possible, and to this day, still not possible for your area, day after day.

Like you have to me, I was feeling you out to gauge whether you were a wannabe or not. The true difference though, is that I wasn't the one posting the plays on a public forum for all to see.

I'm sure you know damned well now, I'm no "wannabe" or "phony", and the only reason you keep bringing up that comment I made about "fleecing" others, and PMing you, is because you thought I was attempting to do the same, Mickey. You won't outright say it, so I'll do it for you.

And the answer is no, Mickey, I wasn't. I read your posts, thought you were just a wannabe looking for attention on a forum full of gamblers, looking for praise and admiration, and to be honest, I wasn't wrong.

To clarify, however, I believe you were banned AFTER I had started posting there,

You don't have to like it, you don't have to believe it, but that's the truth of the matter. You're entitled to feel a certain way, entitled to have your own opinion, but unless it fits into that statement, it would be wrong.

But go ahead, Mickey, make another "call to arms" to blackball me, you're not exactly running things from atop Franc's Peak.

And you at least get why I would probe Mickey for his knowledge, after reading the plays he was giving away. Ultimately three things happen here. He gives up a play (no AP would), he ends up being a wannabe looking for attention (likely), or he ends up knowing a thing or two, publicly giving them away, and now my bottom line suffers (also likely).

What Mickey can't quite wrap his head around, because he's either too drunk, or too stupid, is that while HE MAY NOT get a play on whatever play he's giving up, I might, you might, some other guy might. Our action is FAR MORE lively than his. Where he might get a play or two a day, I get a play or two a minute.

I can't stop the guy from posting the plays that I make my bread and butter on, but I sure as shit don't have to like it. I can sure as hell try to convince him otherwise. You make more friends with honey than with vinegar, so I went the polite route with Mickey, trying to gauge his knowledge to find out if he's intending on burning anything of mine soon, since he was already burning one, and here on this very fucking forum he's burning an active play I get regularly.

Why? Because he's an asshole who thinks because HE doesn't get enough plays on it, nobody else does, right? Wrong Mickey, fucking dead wrong. I know places with 15 of those fuckers getting actions 24/7, I don't need some "out of his prime" asshat like yourself, drunk as a skunk, hurting my bottom line because you can't get a play on it anymore. Move locations schmuck, quit burning our plays and affecting our bottom lines.

Keep your fucking mouth shut like Axel and I for a change, you might make more money. (sorry to use your name again Axel, I feel like its justified in context here)

Actually, its called respecting the Hustle, and your fellow APs, Mickey, you'd do well to learn some respect.

 

Also, forgive me if I don't respond immediately to your drunken posts over the latter part of the week/weekend, some of us actually go out and "work" Mickey. Don't cry anymore than you have if I don't respond until Monday/Tuesday.

 

This is incredibly hilarious. Exoter is using the word respect. I'm ROTFLMAO!!!!

People this is how incredibly but routinely stupd exoter his. He just goes off at the mouth routinely getting his facts wrong on everything. He signed up to WoV on 28 Sep 2015. Here's a screenshot of the suspension list showing I was banned on 13 Mar 2015, six months before exoter signed up. Christ! What an incredibly stupid shit you are, exoter.

 

So let the word go forth throughout the land, to friend and foe alike, that the great exoter, that self described "best of all machine pros" has been walking through casinos for 9 years not knowing that there were exploitable video keno games out there. LMFAO!!!

 

Thank you, I will. To AP"s everywhere, do you really want to deal with this prick? I don't. No way in hell will I ever meet him.

 

Did you not read the part where I asked you to post your post history? Come on Mickey, and quit being dumb.

 

And you quit claiming to be a consummate machine pro when all you are is a low level advantage video line game player. You have no track record in video poker (yeah, sure you vulture UX but hundreds of guys do that so you are nothing special in that regard), and you admittedly know nothing of advantage video keno play. And you've never been involved in advantage video blackjack. You came along to late to have had any real experience with three reel accumulator slots.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are very good at advantage video line games. But you don't even come close to being an all around machine pro.

 

PS: Exoter, I cracked 7K for the month and still have one day to go.

 

You need to stop making assumptions about what I know, Mickey. You've already been wrong about my knowledge with Video Poker because you misread or misunderstood the commentary. Keno, no doubt, I know nothing about because the plays don't exist here.

You're going on and on about Keno plays because that's all you have out there. Think about it, Mickey. These things are specifically designed to award $800 top prizes because that's the max your state can award, why would I find it out here where there is no cap? It would be a rare thing for your games to leave the state and find themselves in "mainstream" states from such a small manufacturer. Then again, you are so small minded you probably don't think about what the manufacturers are doing, and their relations with the casinos. You have two plays I didn't know about, congratulations. I know the better part of a hundred you don't know about. Call it a draw, eh?

I've just come home from 16 days on the road with one short 3 hour return trip for laundry. I cracked just shy of 5k in a single day, Mickey. I'm glad you've gambled your way into the positives, but if you aren't spending your time milking all of these holiday promotions, you're missing out.

I've maxed out two 20x promotions, 1 25x promotion, and a 100x promotion since Thanksgiving. ;D

 

None of this jives with your admitted hourly rate of $33 an hour. Were you lying then or are you lying now?