Intro Im an AP, lets smash the casinos together!!

It's like I said. You are just a low level AP working video line games. That doesn't make a consumate machine pro. And your only gig here and WoV is trying to extract information from machine pros. A consummate machine pro does not need anyone's help.

 

All the forum AP's need to just hire a armed guard then get together in a room with your suitcases(or your Crown Royal bag in Exotor's case.. J/k) full of cash, whomever pulls out the most wins, end of story.

 

$33 an hour? I couldn't afford the cut in pay.

That isn't enough to cover my alcohol expense.

 

WOW They pay you for trolling BBB?

What do you do? How much do you make?

There's nothing wrong with $33 an hour AND you enjoy doing it. Guys were making about that on a few games in the 90's playing 12 hours a day 325 days and saved over 100k for the year. It wasn't really work at all, it was actually very fun. It was like playing some multi player video game competition. Free food rooms and lots of time to Bullshit with friends or other guys doing it. Again it was It was enjoyable, like watching a football game with a bet on it.(sometimes you could watch FB at the same time depending on the location )

If it came out again I would be willing to play it with me and an employee or my GF exclusively.

 

lol. That's funny.

 

Well, Exoter......I haven't posted anything in quite a while. Haven't really been checking up on the posts either because mostly it's been you and Mickey bickering about who is the best and trading punches. I don't see any point in u guys arguing like that but it is your prerogatives. In any case, he's up in Montana doing what he does and if he earns what he claims and is comfortable, great, so be it. I read your abbreviations of games.....and I have to say they are surely on the lower end of what I would consider solid games. I think, judging from your posts, you and I may be currently in close proximity. Like you, I never want to post in an open forum. Perhaps we could communicate by email or phone. If you or I feel there is no value there, then no harm no foul. By the way, did CE have predecessors named FS...RWB and BL?

 

And correct me if I'm thinking of something else but ED has MM as well...??

 

Also, just thought of it.....Could be a different guy, but is Richiedawg a quite larger guy, shaved head that looks like Mr. Clean? Worked with Nick or Mike....can't remember which exactly. If so, I can contact him.

 

Ah....CE was what I posted on your vague comments on another site. Caught that now. But my question still stands.....Perhaps C rather than CE makes sense.

 

But you slam the shit out of me for not knowing about some line game play that came out in your jurisdiction last week. Grow up!

 

Wrong again, Bison Breath! I work video poker, video keno and video line games here. I have one video poker game that's an average 4% edge and produces a royal flush payout (yes, $800) every 7300 games. Its an $80 an hour play. And you are bragging about $33 an hour. So who gives a fuck if the top payout is just $800. And guess what. I don't eat all those W2-G's like you do.

 

This is what a $310 an hour play looks like. So go ahead Mr. Giant. Analyze this play for everyone.

 

Your banning at WoV had everything to do with your continually insulting other members. You were warned but continued to do it anyway. Then you blamed the other members for trolling you. They actually took it easy on you. You are an admitted dice influencer. Dice influencers have been ridiculed since time immemorial on WoV. But when you admitted to being one there wasn't a peep from the other members. And long before you showed up there Ace of Spades was ridiculed for saying he lost 30 blackjack hands in a row. Then you showed up and said you lost 29 blackjack hands in a row.

The other members could have ridiculed you unmercifully for dice influence and 29 losers in a row but let you go unscathed. They took it easy on you, dude.

 

Exotor said,"Keno, no doubt, I know nothing about because the plays don't exist here"

I never noticed that he said that. But that's all I needed to hear.

 

Admitted hourly rate of $33/hr on what? With what? With whom? You keep talking about things out of context Mickey, please start adding the context if you're going to continue on with your incoherent rants.

This coming from the guy who knows less than me about his "great find" in fucking Montana, get out of here you has-been.

It won't be Mickey, he's drank it all away, or probably hasn't cashed out this Tito he's been stealing.

$33/hr, regardless of the context, is in terms of profit, that isn't to be compared to $33/hr which is a phenomenal rate here in the midwest anyhow.

I don't exactly talk about upper echelon games. Things like JR, WM, CE, UX, etc, are just simple games you can make a buck off of day in and day out, yet Mickey decided to write a novel about one like he just discovered the new world.

CE had no predecessors, do you have an email to get in touch with that you don't mind posting here on the forum?

Yes.

That's him, worked with Mike.

C, rather than CE.

Read that again you fucking moron. I didn't slam you about a line play game that came out in my jurisdiction last week, I slammed you about a game that has been in my jurisdiction for half a decade that you JUST NOW found out about, and are pretending like its some new, great big deal, otherwise you wouldn't have written a fucking write-up about it like you just discovered the new world.

Sit down, Phony.

How can I be a low level AP if I'm eating W2-G's Mickey? Make up your mind already. Axel probably hits 10-20 times the W2-G's I hit in a year, if not more, and you're pretending like its a bad thing. Must be because you owe the IRS some money, it all starts to make a little bit more sense now.

And I have, Mickey, lost 29 hands in a row, it was quite memorable, you can read about it on BJTF if you'd like, under the same username, though you stopped just short of accusing me of being someone else. I've always been and always will be the same username. I didn't exactly hide it on WoV when I made an alternate name to protest BBB's banning me unfairly without just cause, which was my whole banning there. I wasn't insulting people, Mickey, I was using cuss words because I'm a grown ass man, and I was being warned left and right for saying things like "shit" and "ass". I pushed the line, I got banned for it, I called BBB on her moderation, something that is of discussion here on THIS forum in a different thread, so I'm clearly not the only one who has seen it or been hit by it, so your argument is moot.

I am a DI, I roll with a bunch of DI's, and when push comes to shove, I'll resort to DI to make a buck, but what Math Extremist couldn't understand, and Alan couldn't understand, was how it really worked, and that it wasn't some magical fairy tale like they had in their minds.

MY issue with Math Extremist came in the Martingale thread where he argued that an infinite bankroll could not exist, but a string of infinite losses COULD exist. That's where the cuss words and insults went flying that triggered BBB to warn me, and I ripped into her for not knowing how to moderate a forum unilaterally. If ME is allowed to call me an asshole, I should, then, be allowed to call him one if you aren't going to chastise him for it, right? Apparently not over at WoV.

Mickey has been quoting it for a week in the threads we've been going back and forth on, how have you not noticed it?

Keno progressives, for the most part, don't exist in the midwest or in the southeast, and the ones Mickey is talking about, are specific to his state and his state only, so why is this some big deal?

I've never been to Montana as an adult, why would I know about a game ONLY found there? I have to thank Mickey for showing them to me, for when I do come through, but other than that, they aren't of great importance to me because the gaming manufacturer only supplies those machines in that state.

 

You said...Exotor said,"Keno, no doubt, I know nothing about because the plays don't exist here"

that statement didn't limit it to a particular machine. However, it shows limiting thinking. FYI keno progressives do exist in Biloxi, unless they have recently taken them out.

 

Regular Keno progressives do, but not the type he's talking about, because I've already made that call to the manufacturer.

I'm anything if not resourceful Axel, you of all people should have understood that by now.

Admitting to the fact that I've got zero experience in Keno because no game exists for me to make money on, past a simple uncapped progressive chase, isn't limiting my thinking, Axel, lord knows I do more of it than you or any other AP has done on these games. You very well might know better plays Axel, I don't doubt that. I do doubt, however, your mental capacity to sit there and understand how a game works, the coding behind it, the science behind it, like I can. I don't need pad and paper like Mickey, I don't need to guess like he does, and I don't have to discuss it.

Admittedly, I do dismiss most progressive machines without caps because there is no guarantee I'll ever hit it, just a +EV setting suggesting that if I did, I'd win doing it. I go, predominantly, for the certainties. The games I know I'll win on just by looking at them, that require less than 30 seconds to finish, so that someone else can build it all back up again.

The newest game, the one I spoke of in Biloxi, works just that way.

If its not your style, move on. I'm not a gambler who needs to sit on a "long" play to appease the gambling side of me, like Mickey, and possibly like you. Most hustlers, are indeed that way. Its a RARE thing for a hustler after several years to have even as little as $5k put away, that's how bad the gambling is for them. I don't even chance that. I basically hate myself when I have to run down a $4,950/$5,000 machine because I just want it to be over so I can move on to the next play. I'm not about quality, Axel, I'm about volume. I've watched guys like you sit on big VP plays thinking they were king shit for 3 days hitting $24,xxx.xx and paying taxes on it, while profiting a measly $1,600 after taxes. Meanwhile, in those 3 days they ran that down, I made $1,600 on the "small" plays you disregard, and I didn't have to wear depends to get the job done.

I have a general distaste for "long" plays, but I DO NOT shy away from them, I just don't prioritize them. Keno, however, just isn't one of those things that pops up often enough to even look at. Would I have figured out Mickey's magical Keno game if I saw it? You bet your ass I would have. Would I have disregarded it? Not likely. I check every single game in every single casino when I walk into a new one, that's just how thorough I am, because I've got a shopping list of machines I'm looking for so I can value each casino based on raw potential. Keno has NEVER been a priority for any hustler outside of Montana, so the recurring theme of Mickey's Keno play here needs to be held for what it is. A state-specific machine that doesn't exist outside of his area.

The more this conversation rolls on about fucking Keno, the more I feel like you two are related, Axel.

 

Out of curiosity, Axel and Mickey, do either of you Card Count? VPpro? Comp Hustle? Promo Hustle?

 

I stayed away from blackjack for fear of losing casinos where I had big edges on machines.

I don't know what you mean by VPpro. If you are talking about video poker I've worked every advantage video poker game they had to offer.

And I worked them with promotions, multiple point days, 4 of a kind bonuses, drawings. I always like drawings where I knew I could dominate the drum. I got outhouse lucky at the Nugget in Wendover in 2007 on a drawing promotion. Tickets were based on action and there was some righteous money to be given away. By the action I seen others giving on the promotion I knew I could dominate the drum playing $5 NSUD. I only had 24 hours to run the action but got lucky as hell hitting two $20,000 royals. I netted 37K on the play. By far my biggest one day win. It was a nice parting gift as I left for Montana soon after.

From 1996 until 2002 I spent most of my time rotating through the hotel/casinos of Laughlin. All comped and all meals free. And playing advantage games to get the comp. There was only 3 days a year I couldn't get comped in Laughlin. But I was also making forays up to Las Vegas, Reno and Tahoe armed with room comp because I was a member of those slot clubs too.

I had a P.O. Box at the Riverside in Laughlin. All my room comp offers came through that mailbox. Just the bounceback checks alone were worth at least a few thousand a year at the time. My longest stretch of comped rooms was five months in Laughlin before taking a trip north. Over a five year period my estimate is about 1500 comp days in the casinos.

 

I'm not dealing with longshot frequencies. I deal with frequencies like 36, 116, 235, 344, 1366, 1551. And with the new modern equipment, on turbo speed, some of these games crank out 40 games per minute as is the case with the 1551 frequency. Its an average 40 minutes seat time. The rest of my plays have seat times less than that, some just a couple of minutes, others 15 or 20 minutes. My seat time averaged $140 an hour for years, took a little dip this summer, but is now getting back to normal. But as I have said many times before I spend as much time looking for the plays as I do playing them.

And I don't sweat plays. If I see a ploppy on a game that is in positive mode I just take note of it and may come back later. But I don't sit there sweating plays. My chances of finding a strong play in the casino down the street is to good to waste time sweating plays.