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Baccarat Interblock RNG Stadium Baccarat...Fair?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Bet2Profit, Oct 14, 2020.

  1. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Yes dragon app I agree, I would lean in that direction re any online rng set up and would never put real money to that situation, my opinion, my rules only. Other people knock yourself out online they rave about it , mind you they play slots online which says it all as far as I’m concerned.

    From my personal experience and yes that is a extremely narrow band of results in the interverse context of databases, brick and mortar Sydney casinoverse skipptophia rng is legitimate for reasons posted previously. Past or my personal results don’t necessarily mean the future will be the same on reopening of the casinoverse here. Nor should you the readers be influenced by my posts. With a modest bankroll and a doable method you the individual should be able to monitor the rng stadium in your own location, you make up your own mind in regards to what you are doing and if in fact the rng is cheating you ( as I believe some smaller clubs here do ) then you have your proof.

    If it’s cheating you DONT PLAY, simple as that.

    If you play at a cheat rng machine then go play slots the lights are prettier and admit you have a degenerate gambling addiction.

    Simple.

    If enough people stop playing at the place you are that has cheating rng stadium the casino will change up their game. The problem is there are so many people that will play that machine regardless of the cheating rng , mostly complaining it’s rigged while funnelling MORE MONEY in , then that’s it the casinoverse has the cash cow.

    You all seen how many slot machines are in the world so there is your answer on getting your particular casinoverse rng baccarat machines fixed.
    There are more degenerate gambling people out there than professionals ( thank you lord for so many morons) YOU decide what YOU want to be , be smart or be degen?

    (Generic you of course )

    Personally I love you degen we need you. Cheers
     
  2. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    It's actually rather easy to determine if yer buckin up against legit result or computer generated nonsenses, hey hey.
     
  3. Chip Magnet

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    Find the computer generated nonsenses.

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  4. soxfan

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    Yeah, the baccarats game on the wizard site produce garbage result, too, hey hey.
     
  5. soxfan

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    That's not enough data and I hate looking at shoe result in that format, hey hey.
     
  6. TwoUp

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    Another big reason is the random generators do not have a big enough internal state to provide enough degrees of freedom to even allow every possibility in a shuffle of a single deck of cards which is 52! (factorial) that's a whopping 80,658,175,170,943,878,571,660,636,856,403,766,975,289,505,440,883,277,824,000,000,000,000 ways to order just one deck of cards, not even 6 or 8 decks which is a truely massive number. A six deck shoe shuffle has a 645 digit number of possible combinations and
    an eight deck shoe is 911 digits long.

    Most RNGs can't get anywhere close to that many degrees of freedom. The Mersenne Twister which the WoV uses has a 64bit seed and a 48bit internal state and only has 281,474,976,710,656 degrees of freedom, as you can quite plainly see 15 digits in length vs 645 and 911 for 6 and 8 deck shoes is hopelessly inadequate to capture the full range of possibilities for even a single deck of cards and gives garbage results. It may be ok for some analysis but overall insufficient to produce a realistic results that you may find at a B&M casino.
     
  7. Chip Magnet

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    Expected that cop out.

    So much for being 'rather easy'.

    No one can tell the difference between RNG and live dealer.
     

  8. soxfan

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    It ain't a cop out. Yes it's true that there are almost unlimited number of potential baccarats shoe outcomes; but there is some order in that chaos and that's where ya can see the difference between rng garbages and legit, hand dealt mortar and brick baccarats shoe, hey hey.
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Question: Does the electronic bac game "electronically shuffle" the deck after each hand? Or does it go through several hands before "electronically reshuffling"?
     
  10. Chip Magnet

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    The Merseene Twister may not be perfect, but it is exceptional for the simple task of randomly shuffling 412 cards. It has a period of 2^19,937. An infinitely larger number, than the number of permutations possible with an eight deck shoe.

    Interblock claims to use multiple generators, and the display of an individual game is purely random. Making each outcome an independent event, rather than linking it to a default return percentage, adds more randomness to every outcome.
     
  11. Punkcity

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    Depends
    Some run 8 decks shuffle at hand 79-80
    Some run 6 decks shuffle at 45-55 hands
    Some no obvious shuffle at any time, ten columns from end of screen is the default reset meaning the amount of hands playing between the last 10 columns of 6 deep = 60 max hands not count ties as they share the box of last result. When all the last 10 columns are covered ( visual representation, think bpbpbpbpbp as example of min last 10 column fill ) the next decision is either a player or bank, if bank the screen moves all resulted decisions to the left to free up the 10 columns to be played out.

    Of the rng no shuffle two version of rng at skipptophia casinoverse one starts the screen at a bank decision column 1 , left hand side of machine , the other start with a player decision column 1.

    Also at skipptophia casinoverse rng stadium is a new version ( was some months ago during brief re open) that has 8 decks and shuffle at 70-80 hand dealt.

    So the answer to your question is how long is a piece of string? The answer will be different every where. You will need to make the judgment call per the readers own location. Cheers
     
  12. Chip Magnet

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    If they shuffled after every hand, the chance of Banker winning a hand would never vary from a 50.7% probability.

    An Interblock tech told me, whether using real cards or virtual cards, their RNG’s shuffle an eight deck shoe and deal the cards in the order they were shuffled. They don’t always deal every card in the shoe. Sometimes the software switches shoes after a dozen or so hands, for added randomness.
     
  13. Punkcity

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    Sorry can’t agree with that statement I’ve seen some strange stuff on hand dealing shoes that I have never seen on a rng stadium ( yet) . I have played tens and tens of thousands of hands on rng stadium and the most bank in a row I’ve seen is 12 , player about the same , weeks can pass before you see it again.
    Ping pong about 13-16 , most drops are 3,4,5,6 both play and bank .

    Yet on hand dealer table, 19 bank,15 bank, 12 bank and similar player runs often etc. ping pong I love on hand dealer as it’s gone 16 plus and I’m on it lol.
    Personally I think hand dealer table games more volatile than rng , only my personal opinion of a bullshit baccarat advisor. Cheers
     
  14. Chip Magnet

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    Then it should be easy for you find the 'computer generated nonsenses'.

    You claim it's 'rather easy', but you can't even find the RNG's in only nine shoes.
     

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    It's not exceptional at all, it's appaling. The critical concept is degrees of freedom. The period has nothing to do with statistical quality and if you read the research, the Mersenne Twister has too many failings to be regarded as a quality RNG, including poor diffusion and parity issues.

    It is simply not possible to arrive at every possible configuration of a single 52 card shuffle in an EQUIPROBABLE manner, let alone an 8 deck shoe, there quite simply isn't anywhere near enough internal state.

    It's like being able to pick numbers in a range from 1 and 100 but your RNG is only being able to actually pick every 17th number. Eventually over a long period it will cycle through numbers and eventually cover all numbers from 1 to 100 but on the next draw you are always limited to tiny fraction of the possibilities. So you get the illusion of range but there are massive gaps in the degrees of freedom. And degrees of freedom is what most RNGs do not have enough of. From one state to the next the Mersenne Twister cannot ever arrive at all possible shuffles of a 52 card deck in an equiprobable manner, let alone 6 or 8 decks. This is why better RNGs like Fortuna were developed especially for crypto where it matters.
     
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