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Roulette Is anyone beating this game consistently?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Rinad, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    1. Visual ballistics.
    2. Biased wheels. After all these years, they still can't seem to assemble the wheels reliably well.

    Here's what most people don't realize. Money management is the easiest part. It's brainless. Variance is a double edge sword that's at most a nuisance. The trick is to play long enough that the edge dominates the fluctuations. What requires the most attention is getting the edge. Once you know that you have the edge, you're more concerned with determining whether to preserve an opportunity or whether you want to burn it down by playing all out. Your also heavily focused on remaining under the radar. If you're edge is large, then you're not using player's cards, you're not interested in free comps, you just want to be left alone. It's not about the free stuff, it's about winning as much as possible efficiently.
     
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  2. karumba

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    care to share your winning strategy rinad? of course, you don't have to. it's just a q.

    as for myself, i do seem to have a winning strategy, but it's early days. so i do not assume it is a definitive winning system yet. it's one thing to win on free software, another altogether to win using real bets, either online or at a b & m casino. also, my strategy is negative progression on bj. i haven't ventured into using it for roulette just yet, but i can't see why it would not work for roulette or most other casino games also.
     
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  3. BIG EZ

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    took the words right out of my mouth :cigar:
     
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  4. gizmotron

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    jeese, I got sucked into another negative progression, always wins, thread.
     
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  5. karumba

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    you weren't sucked in, but you don't think negative progressions work?
     
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    They work perfectly. They always encounter just enough "sequences of death" to wipe out all your progress. They can go on working for months, even longer. Every new gambler starts with them. Next they move on to money management. Some even combine money management and negative progressions. Some go on to magical thinking. And last, the new gambler's with a few years experience in hunting for a way to win, they give up. They buy the notion that "the house always wins," and some of those last ones become saviors of the world. They perpetuate the lie about statistics and math. We have one of those in this very thread. Like in the movie 'The Hustler' George C. Scott tells Paul Newman that "he is a born loser." That "he looks for an excuse to lose." I'm out of here. I'm not going to spoon feed another happy gambler.
     
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  7. karumba

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    your wish is my command. no arguments here
     
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    Me. Flatbet.
     
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  9. Rinad

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    I dont really care about sharing my method because the minute I do ,I know some people will tell me why it cant work, and here comes the marching band of endless talks going in circle, and frankly my friend, I am getting too old to have to defend something that works for me.
    I heard it all and it is like a broken record. I hear some said ; negative progressions dont work because once you lose one time it takes all the profit you made previously . my answer is ; play one that does not take all your profit and case is closed. or just flat bet and be happy.
    it does not matter what you play, it is all the same to me. EC,DZ,ST, ect.....all works the same.
    here is the best part of it all ; NO ONE needs to bet big to win BIG unless you play even bets.
    I am a low stakes player and it keeps me in a perfect state of mind , I know there is more then one way to Paradise and those who think their way is the only way got another thing coming.
    most players know enough already about math, odds, progressions, ect....to win . it is the "anderstanding" of why it has to work that matter the most. I hope I can hear more about "players that beat the game then I have", so far barely a hand full , with thousands of posts, knowledge, charts, what is going on here ? one advice for some players ; do not over bet your bankroll , that is the real killer. I love all types of bets, neg.prog, positive ones, both at the same time, flat betting, all works, and even "menage a trois", all 3 of them is okay too.

    R.
     
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  10. karumba

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    Thanks Rinad
     
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  11. Rinad

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    Karumba I played blackjacks as it was the first game I learned when involved in gambling 25 years ago. I could never beat that game on a consistent basis and I am sure I lost a lot of money with it over the years. at a real table the cards always clumped together and basic strategy does not work any longer when that happens. casinos know it and that is why they love giving those "basic strategy cards" to players so they can join the thousands of other players who lose . if I was to play blackjack and still does once in a while, I pick only the games where the cards are mixed properly, just my two cents my friend.
    Rinad
     
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    I live in Perth, western Australia. There is one casino here, only - it's called Crown Casino. A rather classy joint. There are 6-deck CSMs at all blackjack tables. After each hand, the cards go straight back into the machines.

    I would say the cards would be well shuffled, although playing with 6 decks would create quite a lot of variance in itself.

    Regardless, I wouldn't play if I didn't think I had a strategy that could compete with whatever the casino was offering. I would only go to win, not to lose just for the fun of it.
     
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    I've labeled that deeper layer "the effectiveness states." Because all trends also exist in a state of not working, losing streak if your were to use them for bet selections, the effectiveness states become the defining factor in the strategy. Without that layer of information it might as well be blind guessing.

    Gizmo,

    Just a side note, nothing to do with gambling.

    In the Mbti (Myers Briggs) it's all about behaviour. The second Function is Intuition versus Sensing

    Sensing and intuition, in the most basic terms, have to do with how you take in information. As their names imply, sensors take in information through their senses, and intuitives take in information through their intuition. ... Sensors use their five senses to take in information about the world around them.

    Simplifying Intuition first looking at the Forest as a whole , later on the Trees
    Sensors, highly detailed, looking at the trees first (Oak,Spar etc) and later,they realise it's Tongass National Forest

    Intuition (N)
    Paying the most attention to impressions or the meaning and patterns of the information I get. I would rather learn by thinking a problem through than by hands-on experience. I'm interested in new things and what might be possible, so that I think more about the future than the past. I like to work with symbols or abstract theories, even if I don't know how I will use them. I remember events more as an impression of what it was like than as actual facts or details of what happened.

    Sensing (S)
    Paying attention to physical reality, what I see, hear, touch, taste, and smell. I'm concerned with what is actual, present, current, and real. I notice facts and I remember details that are important to me. I like to see the practical use of things and learn best when I see how to use what I'm learning. Experience speaks to me louder than words.

    Noone is 100% S or N, but there is a Dominance,



    Just curious
     
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  14. Rinad

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    very interesting subject, and having that awareness is gold. we each have either more of one or less of another, and very often as I am playing I have to remind myself as "what is real" , just a way to overcome some of my weaknesses. because in a "high data oriented game" like roulette, it is easy to be magnetized to unnecessary details ,or letting emotions get the better of us as well.

    R.
     
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    How much do we want to reveal? That's another q relevant, I think. If we have a strategy we know works because we've tried and tested it, and it's come up trumps over the long term, should we reveal it for all the world to see?

    Won't the casinos want to know about these things and stop these strategies from taking the casino's money?
     
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    Actually gizmo, now that I think of it, negative progressions may be useful to your strategy?

    I take it you don't think negative progressions, ON THEIR OWN, are something you like. However, if you incorporate negative progressions into your reading randomness strategy, you may make your strategy even more profitable?
     
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    The perfect sequence of death also wipes out RR. If you use the notion that any lost bet is a signal that the trend or pattern ended. You can experience a swarm of first attempt losses. That's the sequence of death. I've seen a swarm of losses go for 21 losses in a row before. That was when I did not step back away, but wanted to see how bad it could get. 21 loses in a row would bankrupt your Marti.

    I use the smallest allowed bet during non winning swarms and a same sized big bet during win streaks. Those big bets are flat bets and the small bets are flat bets. The only thing I do is keep track of the losses and when they occur. When I hit my win goal for the first time I'm done. I can win a session - one, two, three, right off the bat. I'm done. I don't try to anticipate randomness. I just go with what it is doing. I adjust in order to avoid digging big holes, and wait till randomness is ready to pay off. It's so simple.

    But a mindless progression that always pays you seems more than a wonderful ATM machine. Of course, grab all you can while you can. Nobody will believe that you have a new career.
     
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    That's good. I wouldn't want people to pry into my new career and ruin a profitable system. I may even get back to you some day and tell you if I'm profitable or not.
     
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    If you haven’t already read the reading random thread do yourself a favour and read it , skip the usual distraction inflammatory posts there are many, cut to the chase as there is plenty of meat on the bone. I took notes as I went through the thread imho very worthwhile information for anyone doing business in the casinoverse. Cheers
     
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  20. karumba

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    Thanks for your helpful post PC
     
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