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Roulette Is it possible to Beat Roulette?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Rona, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Rona

    Rona Active Member

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    The naysayers' great argument is that the house always wins, because of the zero - the House Edge.
    Here is a video that claims that it will bust the "House Edge Myth" that will Premiere on YouTube later today. I copy from the announcement:

    Roulette House Edge Debunked (You CAN Beat the Casino)
    LIVE PREMIERE at 12:45 PM Pacific Time

    In this 15 min video, we will explain in full detail how the Zero, the House Edge, can diminish our chances on winning consistently, yet it IS STILL POSSIBLE TO WIN and make a long term profit in roulette.

    I urge everyone to join the premiere and participate in the LIVE CHAT so we can comment and exchange opinions on this very important issue: Can Roulette Be Beaten Or Is IT A Lost Cause and a Pipe Dream?



    I expect some heated arguments pro and against the "possibility of winning at roulette". I will try to be online, see you there.
     
  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Why wait. This video is especially interesting to me on many points.



    This guy is blind to reality in one key point. There are times when the illusion of patterns or sequences that confirm some kind of structure co-inside with it working. I have spent the past 14 years explaining that the effectiveness track must run parallel with the pattern & streak charts during data collection. The effectiveness chart is real data. It is not imagined. If it were to be magically labeled by some wannabe physiologist it would be something about seeing the real. Funny that, and the fact that RouletteMan is blind as a bat to it.

    If you want to be labeled really smart then figure out how to take the illusion of streamed Roulette data and learn to see moving averages like the charts of illusions known as candlestick charts for the stock market. Funny how those guys can use this illusion or deception to their advantage.

    Now I will go back to just listening. Life is way better without arguing over who is right.
     
  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Wow, now we have a guy that does use trends:



    This guy buries his head in convoluted and masked data. It's still does not take into account for the effectiveness states. It's just rule based crap. You should be able to see trends, patterns, and sequences of series in less than 1 second. I mean following say as many as 6 groups with 12 sets. You should be able to identify all kinds of characteristics that continue. To do that you need to use visual dexterity. Your acuity must be experienced so that you can tie it directly to your effectiveness states.
     
  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    And now for the "Rock Star" version:

     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Zero Sum Gain:

    We have already discovered that the "House" always takes in more than the mathematical average because 99% of all players play to lose their bankrolls. Now if you actually go to a casino to win then you will quit while you are ahead. You would be surprised how often people are actually ahead at some point but that they don't leave with it. I just wanted to state this before the guy's video runs.
     
  6. Jerome

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    Amazing. Quit when you're ahead was the answer all along. Funny how no-one has realized that until now.

    It really works, unless you keep going back to the casino to play of course, then it's no better than any other dumb system which doesn't change the odds one iota.
     
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  7. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    If a person knows that wins and losses tend to move like moving averages from "support" and "resistance" data in a stock trading chart then all that revelation about quieting while you are ahead just becomes a strategy, most likely a stop win position, based on visual evidence that the stop win point is well within the range of the moving average. All this gathered data is real. But it is never real to a person that never looks to see it. And that's good. Those that don't know that information exists are the lifeblood of the opportunity for those of us that do see it. Thank you for not knowing or seeing. Your advice is well worth it.
     

  8. Jerome

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    Support and resistance don't apply to random numbers. Your theories are absurd.
     
  9. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Don't see this then:
    testGraph.png

    This graph is from betting only on red numbers at $90 per bet with 200 back to back bets.
     
  10. Rona

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    So true...
     
  11. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Makes sense to me. I've been ignoring the one or two extra slots in the payouts for more than a decade. Don't feed a losing streak at full valued bets. Just feed the win streaks at the full value. The variance, as they call it, is just a generalization of stating randomness as a main or primary characteristic. There are useful more subjective types of characteristics that can show continuations of dominance. You just have to notice them as you are playing.
     
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    I watched the video. It was very depressing, a masterclass of ignorance. I don't even know where to start there were so many things wrong with it.
     
  13. Bago

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    I suspect you are going long or short leverage x1000 on the markets.
     
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    none of these lying and/or delusional bags of wind ever proved their "winning systems" had any value at all

    if they had it would have been one of the biggest news stories of the decade

    but that hasn't happened and it never will

    even with all the mayonnaise in the world you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s***
     

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    I could lend this guy a better suit if he wants to be more persuasive:


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    for me it's just a sore subject
     
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    Who is creating all those fake profiles for godness sake
     
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    Its seems my sarcasm went right over your head.
     
  19. gizmotron

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    So let's try this with specific tactics disclosed. To beat a casino, beyond what the math says you must lose at a rate of, you must use a method of not betting the same amount on each bet. But a mindless, rule based, bet size tends to eventually run into a sequence of death that kills all progress. It doesn't mean that you can't get lucky at times but it tends to hit the bad spots often enough to confuse it's over all worthiness.

    So I do this instead:
    1.) Give the bet selection method a consistent reason for set selection.
    2.) Bet a stand off bet of $5 on 30 numbers without regard for any reason for selecting them. You can use $1 on each of 5 double streets to accomplish this on a $5 minimum table.
    3. Make a virtual bet selection in your charts just to see how your guessing is doing. (effectiveness)
    4.) When you see a dominance as one of the preferred characteristics bet a full sized real bet on it. Make your charts reflect the difference between real bet guesses and virtual bet guesses.
    5. Use a stop loss and a stop win MM to run this like a stock market strategy. Try to only bet full sized real bets when you see characteristics that tend to swarm and fit inside of already occurring moving averages. (refer to video for knowledge of moving averages)

    There is no mathematical reason for this to work. It depends completely on the coincidences that things sometimes continuing to keep occurring. They do that all the time. You can't force them or wish them to happen. You can't predict when they will happen or worst of all expect them to be due. You just have to wait for favorable conditions. A smart player can do this. You must have skills though. You must be able to recognize the characteristic occurring in the sets. Your charts must reflect dominance, series, patterns, zig-zags, singles, and anything you can think of that might reveal a phase of continuation. Those are just the bet selection skills. You must get really good at guessing when a continuation series looks good or not. No matter how good you get at following trends for bet selection you will see three characteristics of effectiveness. It will be in short phases of working great. It will jump to flat results or very bad results without notice. You use virtual bets while in flat or bad phases. You use full sized bets only while in very good phases.

    You will lose sessions at their stop loss points about 15% of the time. I use 3 net win full sized bets as the win stop point and 7 full sized losses as the stop loss point. I win sessions at this rate because I am experienced at playing this and not playing on fear like 95% of stock traders do when they trade on the stock market. You must know about playing on fear. People always quit too soon on wins and pull out too late on losses. That's basic playing on fear. Don't be in that 95%.

    As you can see this is based on the current conditions and how long the coincidences hold their form. Sometimes they work sometimes they don't. It takes 2.33 won sessions at 3 net unit wins to equal one session loss at 7 net losses. That is the math no matter what the odds are for each spin. You can't use this method blindly, like any rule based system. You must hunt for continuing characteristics and "gamble" on them. I win about 4.66 times using this method where I end up with a 2 to 1 ratio long termed win rate. I know if you try hard enough that many of you can produce a long term higher result than that. If all you can get is around 2.33 win rate in the long run then guessing based on trends is not for you. But the MM is mathematically sound. The virtual bets tend to take care of themselves. I place them just to rack up points and to keep the dealers and pit bosses happy. My real bets are based on EC's. At $5 per chip and 18 numbers selected to win I am running at $90 per real bet. Three net wins at $270 is enough for what I want out of all this. It keeps me on the road. I net $135 per session based on the logic of that guy that runs that "trade like a casino" video. My per session bankroll is $700.

    I dare you guys to make improvements on all this and to figure it out for yourselves. It takes math systems out of the equation. It's purely skill based that requires experience.

    Ref video:
     
  20. Bago

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    This guy is a joke, those who can be compared to the Casinos for the Markets are the Brokers who take a spread when you are entering a trade. And for having an edge at this "game" it takes much more than putting a moving average line and respecting a risk reward ratio of 1/2.
     

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