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Roulette Is it possible to Beat Roulette?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Rona, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Mr x

    Mr x Member

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    thank you for reply! also possible to wait maybe for example if 1-12 did not come up for 5-6 spins and then bet with 2:1 pay out, possible 3 bets to make to win and/or get all the money back
     
  2. Dutchman

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    I really don't know. I have tried many many systems and none works for me as good as what i am doing. I am not an expert. But if i continue this succes for at least one more month i will consider myself as a professional roulette player.
     
  3. Dutchman

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    From past experiene iknow that sometimes a dozen may not show for as much as 30 spins. With sectors of the wheel i see more consistancy and the max a sector does not show (within my limited experience) i have seen is 12. In the end it does not matter since 4 consecutive bets is my stop loss. That is why i play only small money bets. So in the rare event of using the stop loss i loose not much money and easily recover the days afterwards.
     
  4. Mr x

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    4-5 spins stop loss I think it is reasonable. last question if I may ask, say you pick sector that didnt come up for let say 5-6 or more times? then how many numbers do you include in your bet from that sector?
     
  5. Dutchman

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    Again that depends. If those 5-spins show orphelins and numbers ajacent in the zero sector but not on zero itself or its 4 neighbours i would bet on tiers plus zero and those 4 neighbours. But if those spins show random numbers outside tiers I would bet on Tiers only. If those 5-6 spins only show numbers in the zero sector i would bet tiers plus orphelins. I rather make only small profit rhan risking too much. Risk mitigation is super important.
     
  6. Mr x

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    slowly but steady, better + million in 2.5 years then -2500 in 10 days.:) Last question.. do you rely on instinct/gut feeling or just behavior of the "game". But again, first and most important is to be strict with ourself, not to be greedy, self control and SLOWLY but steady!
     
  7. Dutchman

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    A bit of both. In those 2 months i have had 2 days with difficulty. 2or 3 stop losses after another and then i decided that this was against trends so i decided to continue to play but further reduced (my bets) and finally both days I slowly came back and once I finally had my 1% profit for the day i quit playing for the day. Those days i played more than 2 hours instead of my typical 10-30minutes. I am sure you can do it too. Just dont get overconfident, have patience, use risk mitigation. And stop when you reach your daily target. And do not consider a stop loss as a los of money but only as a small change in the end date to reach the million.
     

  8. gizmotron

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    This is sort of an interesting moment in forum discussions. This minimal staking plan combined with trend following.

    It's just like the staking plan for Reading Randomness. You play for three net wins per day. At $5 per win you would play for $15 per day. At the end of one week playing $15 per day and no net lost sessions you would have doubled your bankroll. Your stop loss for this method is 7 net losses in a session, or $35 at $5 bets. You will notice that I allow for 3 times 7 net losses for the working bankroll in Reading Randomness. That comes to $105 for the start point. In testing with students and with almost all but one that has tried it in public Reading Randomness never had 3 net lost sessions in a row. And almost all educated and skilled players got to a win to loss ratio of 2 to 1 in a game that is basically 50 /50. It takes 2.333 won sessions at 3 net wins to balance the loss of one single lost session at 7 net losses.

    So If I make this a plan starting out at $105 I get this table:

    For 21 net wins or 3 net wins per day with 7 net winning days, a week of winnings with no aggregate losses.

    @ 5 -- 15 X 7 = 105
    @ 10 -- 30 X 7 = 210
    @ 20 -- 60 X 7 = 420
    @ 40 -- 120 X 7 = 840
    @ 80 -- 240 X 7 = 1680

    If you settle now for $100 bets you then get this much:

    @ 100 -- 300 X 7 = 2100 per 21 net wins for the week.

    If you apply the 2 to 1 ratio to that and allow for losses then you get 1400 per week with lost sessions included.

    This 3 and 7 staking plan is for you to reach a win stop point at least 2.33 times before hitting any 7 net lost session. But skilled Reading Randomness players are hitting 4.66 won sessions for each lost session on long run averages. That's where the 2 to 1 win to loss ratio comes from. If you can just take a little and let it grow exponentially then you can turn a small bankroll into a real income.

    So there is already working data in for this concept of minimal bankroll and starting points. It all comes down to how well you play the trends. I switched to 50 /50 games but spent years on double dozens as well as 5 of 6 double streets. I have provided software for anyone to download and to perfect their trend and pattern betting skills away from the casinos where they can get better at this without any cost to them. It all comes down to skill and the skill at reading good timing. At no time is there any claim of predicting the future. It's just watching and waiting for things that tend to continue. That's a skill.
     
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  9. Mr x

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    still one question, sorry .. :droid: you saying that you stick to 1% profit.. I dont see how you get only 1% profit with covering only part of numbers/wheel. Say you cover even 25 number, once straight up bet would give you 10 euro profit ( if u bet 1 euro each number) that is 30% even if u have to double and bet more if u lost bet, still you should be more then 1% income from it. Unless u mean 1% from initial bank and not bets you do, then whats your bank if I may ask? Also you double after lost bet or sticjing to same bet all the time?
     
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    The 1%profit is the main target. Today I struggled. My stop losses accumulated until I was 15%negative. So in such a case I fight back but instead of increasing my bets I reduce the bets and finally got an upward trend, playong very carefully and finally I reached 101%of my starting BR of today and I quit playing. This was a difficult day but I ended with my daily profit of 1%.so still on target. And yes on good days I sometimes continu but never risking the 101%BR. And I have had days where I ended with 22% and one time with 16.7%profit. The average win over the 2 months is now 4.2%profit per day. But now I need a beer. Well deserved
     
  11. Mr x

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    well done with sticking to it and leaving once u got ur 1 euro! that the only way and 4.2% a day is more than some people get a year from having it at the bank :) thank you for reply and information. very helpful and appreciated.
     
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    Without giving more details but I impressed by the Dutchman's wheel based bet selection .




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  13. Dutchman

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    Nonono. My BR is above 1100euro so 1%today was 11,00euro. But on target and on schedule. The beer was great :)
     
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    well done! way to go!
     
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    So I have been putting this to a test. I was getting killed on the live online tables because I was rushed and could not fill out my online charts and get an inside bet down in time. I messed around with Steve's MPR online app and won every session. So I quit that in a self destructive run. But I decided to try the American RNG game online that allows me to fill out my chart and take all the time that I want. It looks like it plays just like the MPR game. I had a slight uptick, then a ten spin losing streak, and then a grind back up to my first goal of $15+ per session win. I started out yesterday at $105 bankroll. This is better than waiting for the casinos to open back up. And it's real money. It will be fun to demonstrate Reading Randomness and the 3 lost sessions of -$35 each lost per session against the $15+ per session on a win.

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  17. Nathan Detroit

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    Mark,

    Consider no travel expenses either . Glad that you found that casino .



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    I'm having a blast. It works in waves, just what I'm looking for. Surf's up me hearties.
     
  19. Mr x

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    how is it going today? I am looking in to way of playing same with reasonable goal to gain 1-10% a day. sorry to post here, not sure if I can send PM here as im new on this forum. I am looking in to ways to cover most of the field by covering 5 "6lines" for example 2 euro bet and one street 1 euro. that way for example I only have 4 numbers not in play, 0 and let say I skim 1-2-3 (street). its very good chance to win, and 1 bet gives reasonable profit that with time can grow in to nice sum. ever tried that? from my experience I've seen same number coming up 4 times in a row, so as base my plan to wait while street I am skipping first would have 2 numbers coming up from same street or same number in a row, to make sure I have room for 4 bets (by "doubling") to return lost money plus still have 10% from initial bet profit. 1 chip out of 12. If I make any sense.. as english is not my first language. I believe starting small and be reasonable with profit expectation is best way, though I could wait for long time and have 3 numbers from same street to come up and then bet more than 1 euro and have profit say 50-100 euro from one bet that would actually be good enough amount after few weeks, it would not draw attention of casino as I would not be flagged by winning say 100-200 a day. :)
     
  20. Dutchman

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    Hi guys, stil pursuing my plan and after some days of hard work today I played extremely carefull and within 1hr I had over 1,5% profit on my BR. Also nice to know that my profits in online casino's are not subject to taxes in The Netherlands (I checked with Dutch IRS) so gross profit is nett profit. Considering that I paid 50% income tax on my previous income as PE, this is much better.
     
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