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Roulette It's insane ! It's all a fallacy !

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. Mako

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    But...but...you didn't do 1.7 million spins.

    So now I will insert a sarcastic gif like a 12 year old girl despite the fact that I'm a grown adult, and I will end the sentence with a roll-eyes emoji, also like a 12 year old girl, despite the fact that I'm grown adult. That will really make my point, it's imperative.

    Did I do it right Caleb?
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    What are you calling a min interval?? I don't know the jargon.
     
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    A minimum interval is when you go flat broke and even the dust in your wallet goes bankrupt. It's when you know that your newest system doesn't work again. It's when you realize that you should have done this one thing differently.
     
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  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I have no idea what it is that Turbo's trying to show with his video or what his "interval" comment is supposed to mean. A Benny Hill video would have been just as informative.
     
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  5. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Is that avoiding the simple question ?
    You know exactly what it is and what it means, you're delaying a simple answer
    by claiming ignorance ? Why ?

    #20 appears on spin 210 - the Min Interval for #20 is 210 spins.
    it appears again 40 spins later - the Min Interval for #20 is now 40 spins.
    it appears again 82 spins later - the Min Interval for #20 is still 40 spins.
    it appears again 15 spins later - the Min Interval for #20 is now 15 spins.
    it appears again 44 spins later - the Min Interval for #20 is still 40 spins.
    it appears again 10 spins later - the Min Interval for #20 is now 10

    Did you watch the video ?
    Each location drops to 1 for it's Min Interval (it's really self-explanatory).
    My question was - will each location end up being 1 for the Min Interval
    given enough time (yes).
    even easier - will each location end up being below it's expected appearance value (yes).

    You can pretend not to know what it is but that's your choice.
    If you answer yes (which is the only answer) then you'll be forced to admit that
    random is predictable. I know this puts you in a corner where you can't answer -
    and memes and gifs might take over instead. Up to you.
     
  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Are you trying to argue that all numbers will eventually hit back to back (repeat) at least once?
     
  7. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The scammer who charges the gullible for his "knowledge" that doesn't exist should have no
    input in a conversation about ways to win. Notice the only "likes" you ever get are also from
    the same people that only ever "like" Sir Anyone's posts ? (mostly ND of course)
    You're in a tiny room with a tiny audience - maybe post useful info instead of trolling for
    "students" who are desperate enough to pay you to learn how "not" to win.
    Some people are here to learn how to win, they don't log into a forum to hear stupid
    insults from the rejects club. Try down the hall.
     

  8. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I explained it clearly - exactly what Min. Interval was and asked the question clearly.
    Either you answer it or not.
    How you could answer it while still keeping with "random isn't predictable" is beyond me, but
    have at it.
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Are you trying to argue that all numbers will eventually hit back to back (repeat) at least once?

    Are you wanting to know what the average interval is as well?
     
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  10. Turner

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    Turbo....Turbo...Turbo
    come on....Caleb doesnt answer questions. He looks for ways to make him (in his head) be the big Kahuna

    He is obsessed with you (I know...its a biggie) but he is.

    Totally obsessed with anyone who tries to be the big kahuna (in his head)

    I get what you are saying

    Im on it!!!!

    By the way, its official....I am a fruitcake lol
     
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    Wow Turban, you noticed a trend in the distribution of "Likes." Now that's a teachable moment. There are no more students and there is no opportunity for more students. But you keep dragging me down boy. Your need to rise somehow by any means is noted.

    The contraption King of crash test dummies, for decades now, is so expected. You, like Edison have found 10,000 ways to not make an incandescent light bulb. Nobody believes your crap. I don't get pissed off if anyone else finds a way to beat Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, or Blackjack using randomness and trends. Everyone knows I've been on the bandwagon for Reading Randomness for more than a decade. And everyone knows that you have been the master of system based contraptions. You are the Rube Goldberg of roulette systems.

    I have actually taught people how I read randomness. You have failed to deliver 100%. I believe you will continue to fail as long as you keep trying to beat this game with rule based systems. So try your command post trick somewhere else. Name the people here that want to learn from you. Where is that line of suckers anyway?
     
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    I agree OR at minimum (as I say).....what NOT to do.

    Ken
     
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    I would since you ask.. YOU say you can read random, isnt that what Turbo is saying? Randoms not a thing so he "reads" it too.
    Anyway at least Turbo talks probability and stuff not just total wank like "The Global Effect"!
     
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    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Are you trying to argue that all numbers will eventually hit back to back (repeat) at least once? Is this what you mean by an interval of zero?

    Are you wanting to know what the average interval is as well?
     
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  15. TurboGenius

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    I feel like a senator in the Kavanaugh hearings. (sighs inside).
    Again (for the record lol) -
    I'm not trying to argue anything Sir A, I'm asking you a specific question that any amount
    of testing would have given you the answer to.
    Will a number (or any betting location) appear at or below it's expected appearance rate ?
    Yes or No... and keep in mind that a "yes" answer will mean random is predictable.

    Let's round off and say a line bet will appear 1 time in 6 tries on average... we can all agree to that.
    Now we can start taking data....
    Line #1-#6 appears after 20 spins. It's Minimum Interval value is 20
    it appears again after 11 spins. It's Minimum Interval value is 11
    12 spins later, it appears again - the value remains at 11.
    2 spins later, it appears again - It's Minimum Interval is now 2
    (Please see video for reference or do your own test using any random source you like)

    Every possible betting location on the table will eventually end up with a 1 as
    the M.I. value - because that's how random works.
    I'm asking a simpler question to you - which is.... will every location appear "at least"
    at it's expected value. For a line bet we'll use 6 spins....
    If so (and it is so) - then (like in Blue's post in a related way - and my Min Interval
    strategy - exactly..) future spins are predictable because we have a known
    value of a location in the future.
    It's a simple question.

    I give back my remaining 10 minutes to the senator from NJ lol and shakes my head.
     
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  16. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    "Likes" are given when a reader finds value in a post.
    So yes, the tally is relevant to someone's contributions on a forum.
    Which is slightly distorted at times when person A "likes" someone specific's posts just "because".
    But regardless. The number of posts a person has and the volume of "likes" their posts have received
    means that member has contributed value to the forum. No further comment needed.

    Well that is a loss for others who didn't get a chance at this amazing opportunity then I guess.
    Diamonds are worthless, yet they have value because the body who controls them lets them out
    little by little - hence creating a "perceived value". Much like yourself.
    Keeping some "limited class size" just makes it appear that you're doing something of value.
    When in reality.... it's just a shiny rock. Shame on you sir.

    I don't rise - I am elevated by others who find my content of value.
    I don't ask a fee for them to do so - and don't expect a price to be paid.
    That's how we're different. I've never lived by the "what's in it for me" motivation, sorry.
     
  17. TurboGenius

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    Of course. That's how basic probability combined with variance works. That doesn't mean that random is predictable in a way that's exploitable though.

    Turbo,

    A line bet is six numbers, correct? (except for the basket) So the probability of a line bet hitting is 6/38, not 6/36 (one in six). This means that it will, on average, hit about six times in every 38 spins. Unfortunately, In order for your line to break even you'd need to have only 36 numbers on your wheel. In order to actually win, you'd need just 35 numbers on your wheel.) So knowing the average is of no value.

    Now sometimes it will hit more frequently than this, and sometimes it will hit less frequently. As a spin sample grows larger it will move closer and closer to the average frequency. If the wheel is biased, then the street could remain stronger or weaker than what probability would predict in the random game. Unfortunately knowing the average "interval" as you call it, won't help you because the house payoff will always be short, unless the wheel is biased and the street hits more frequently than it should.

    Again, the live wheel, not always. In the random game you can eventually expect the average interval to reach it's expected hit ratio, however the actual number of times that the bet hits could still be far away from the other streets. The ratio is what appears to merge closer to the mean.
     
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  19. gizmotron

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    I'm so glad you can't see it. I knew that if I clearly showed it to people and freely shared it that there would be a lot of people that don't see it. It's good for the casinos too. Thanks for playing your part to keep the lights on.
     
  20. TurboGenius

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    Flat bet only $100.00 chip value.
    Fallacy ? I don't see that fallacy.
    I expected locations to be "due" and they hit. How strange.
    Played Line bets (6 numbers) all the way down to straight ups (1 number) until
    session was completed and no location's Min Interval was a value greater than it's
    expected average appearance rate. How strange......
    Maybe the "fallacy" comes into effect at some later time in the future - or only
    on Mondays.
    36.59% edge for the player - Strange because it's always a 2.70% edge for the casino
    unless...... Well, what do I know anyway.


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