Roulette Kattila's Dozen Method, Where the Flaw?!

Gentlemen,

Below a method I copy from a blog.





This is one of the best of the best, creme de la creme, method for dozen bet, BUT still cant win for long, where the flaw?!



IF u know where he flaw lie, U have a near HG!

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KATTILA RULES FOR DOZEN BET.

Rules/bet selection / MM:



1]wait for Trigger,THEN bet for maximum 3 spins.

2]IF 3losses IN ROW (L3 ) wait new trigger.

3]IF or After WIN,IN ANY OF THE FIRST 3 BET,
bet again for maximum 3 spins


4]then win or lose, STOP, wait new trigger.
[maximum. 6bets after a trigger]

5]IF after twice in row of L3
[SIX CONTINUOUS LOSSES, in two trigger],
Stop and wait one virtual Win,
bet again after new trigger.


6]Progression used is +1 after W ,
and after 3Ls -1


Reset to 1 unit when bankroll in plus

or when recovered from some drawdown.



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This is one of the best of the best, creme de la creme, method for dozen bet, BUT still cant win for long, where the flaw?!



IF u know where he flaw lie, U have a near HG!

 

The flaw is present in steps 1,2,4,5: Waiting for triggers. The triggers have no value, so why wait for them? If the same number of numbers remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then what effect can a trigger possibly have?

-Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

 

Dear Dr.Anyone.

If we 'slice' a well balanced wooden wheel into 3 equal part,
and painted them red,yellow,white.
Make a thousand spins, and ....

or , have three different color pin-pong balls, say, white ball, red ball, yellow ball,
then place them in a box, the take out one ball, and replace them back into the box, and do this for a thousand time.

The after u note down the decision, MAKE A CHART, of what color hit.
And u will see that the law of probability kicks in.
But u will see that though the law of 1/3 kicks in for each color,
they will not truly equal,
and u will also see that they do not appeared in true SEQUENCES!

They may
1]come in almost equal hit, and almost true sequence,
say, red, black,yellow permutation.

2]one color hit constantly, more than the other two colors.
say yellow, yellow, white, yellow, red, yellow, white, white, yellow,red , yellow...

3]one color sleep, say, white sleep.

yellow, yellow, red,red,yellow,
white,yellow, red,red,yellow, yellow,
yellow, red,red,yellow, yellow, red,red,
white,yellow, red,red,yellow, yellow, red,red,
=================

but at the end,
all the color will hit in almost EQUAL hit.
Accordance to the law of probability.
but in short term, one color will active, or sleep.
That the essence of randomness.

Hope u understand.

Kattila's method, MAY work by avoiding sleeping color, thus a TRIGGER,
MAY signal a active sequence....but of course that only a HOPING that the 'active-mode'
start to run, that what we call risk taking...or gambling.



U need to understand this before u try to understand where the Flaw of Kattila's.
Thanks.

 

Do not try to see patterns in past decisions and try to predict from there. Patterns are also as much random to appear or not to appear as the EC itself. Variance breaks the symmetry and breaks the hopes to win with a progression.
A sensible method should be able to fight all variety of variance in short run and to survive till things get smoother enough to be beaten.

 

Beat the Wheel,

How does a trigger change the probability of winning on the next spin?
Can you provide an example, and some math to demonstrate how the probability changes?

 

@beat-the-wheel,
If this is the Kattila's method taken from my blog, it was a good one, indeed. Actually, I offered a fun challenge on bs.cc giving one of the the worst doing dozens to bet and beat with a systematic approach. Kattilla did all three of the toughest. Then I requested a friend of mine, Malcop to code it and it was a worth playing idea that I chose to keep in my "Fully systems" section.

A trigger doesn't change any probability of happening or non-happening of anything in next spin but it can help you avoid the worst that is possible to happen, in a random game. I know that every trial is independent but still it can't bring hundreds of wins of a single EC in a sequence as per its sequential probability. A trigger can help only in that case. http://betselection.cc/gambling-phi...there-hasn't-been-succesive-36-hits-of-an-ec/
Since playing for the "virtual limit" is not a feasible idea, I can say that playing with any "trigger" will only make things as random as it can be. Nothing better or worse, for sure.

 

Hi Dr Anyone.
u say,
[How does a trigger change the probability of winning on the next spin?
Can you provide an example, and some math to demonstrate how the probability changes?]

trigger doesnt change the probability of winning on the next spin, but trigger , make us taking the RISK, that the clumping mode occur, and avoid sleeping dozen.



Below a Hamburg permanance with almost balance DOZEN and column.

1. Dutzend 100
2. Dutzend 100
3. Dutzend 98
1. COL 100
2. COL 99
3. COL 99

A=1st Dozen
B=2nd
C=3rd



Below we try to see how trigger avoid huge losses.

example,
we wait for One HIT as trigger, then bet THREE time, stop at hit, wait for new hit as trigger.

U may do the rest yourself to see,
as I say before, though probability, hit 1/3,
they may sleep for a while, and mind u, this permanance is almost equal hit of dozens.




Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
31.03.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
306 balanced dozen hamburg


Try to bet 1st Dozen with triggere to see how trigger miss 3in row streak losses.


14B
35C
25C
20B
1A=trigger
31C
9A=hit
13B
6A=trigger
27C
5A
25C
1A=trigger
33C
19B
11A
17B
18B
3A=trigger
10A
36C
17B
13B
36C
22B
34C
23B
8A=trigger
29 C
10A
29C
9A=trigger
7A
00
2A=trigger
25C=lose
18B=lose
18B=lose
15B
35C
13B
33C
28C
22B
32C
14B
27C
6A=trigger
7A
27C
20B
28C
12A=trigger
27C=L
20B=L
23B=L
11A=trigger
35C=L
14B=L
28C=L
7A=trigger
33C=L
16B=L
23B=L
33C
21B
29C
17B
30C
32C
35C
30C
18B
7A=trigger
22B=
19B=
00=
33C
27C
15B
1A=trigger
5A
11A=trigger
11A
30C
27C
36C
6A=trigger
5A
24B
4A=trigger
16B
22B
9A
18B
29C
35C
8A=trigger
21B
9A
28C
8A=trigger
16
17B
7A
21B
27C
27C
14B
00
24B
7A=trigger
21B
9A
25C
13B
16B
10A=trigger
20B=L
18B=L
32C=L
00
27C
19B
20B
1A=trigger
5A
36C
29C
00
11A=trigger
22B
30C
4A
18B
2A=trigger
30C=L
32C=L
33C=L
33C
31B
12A=trigger
16B=
17B=
2A=
6A=trigger
4A
9A=trigger
11A
13B
15B
3A=trigger
29C
8A
24B
19B
28C
9A=trigger
15B
19B
10A
7A=trigger
18B
11A
11A=trigger
22B=L
35C=L
25C=L
6A=trigger
26C
25C
1A
28C
30C
7A=trigger
20B
3A
16B
5A=trigger
8A
32C
29C
11A=trigger
17B
14B
6A
23B
15B
10A=trigger
22B=L
20B=L
28C=L
13B
16B
4A=trigger
13B=L
20B=L
34C=L
9A=trigger
18B=L
16B=L
23B=L
18B
11A=trigger
33C=L
30C=L
20B=L
17B
1A=trigger
8A
13B
18B
14B
4A=trigger
25C=L
18B=L
30C=L
28C
9A=trigger
9A
3A
10A
19B
14B
7A=trigger
33C=L
29C=L
27C=L
00
5A=trigger
18B
8A
11A=trigger
27C=L
32C=L
32C=L
27C
21B
12A=trigger
13B=L
00=L
30C=L
35C
7A=trigger
2A
9A
10A
36C
34C
11A=trigger
3A
17B
2A=trigger
2A
19B
19B
26C
1A=trigger
11A
29C
9A=trigger
30C=L
15B=L
35C=L
11A=trigger
29C=L
16B=L
28C=L
1A=trigger
7A
20B
19B
16B
14B
35C
31C
17B
31C
22B
34C
9A=trigger
19B
5A
28C
6A=trigger
16B
1A
31C
6A=trigger
18B=
17B=
3A=
31C
25C
3A=trigger
30C
11A
6A=trigger
36C=L
26C=L
35C=L
23B
30C
31C
1A
00

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Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
31.03.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
306 balanced dozen hamburg

14B=trigger
35C
25C
20B
1A
31C
9A
13B
6A
27C
5A
25C
1A
33C
19B
11A
17B
18B
3A
10A
36C
17B
13B
36C
22B
34C
23B
8A
29 C
10A
29C
9A
7A
00
2A
25C
18B
18B
15B
35C
13B
33C
28C
22B
32C
14B
27C
6A
7A
27C
20B
28C
12A
27C
20B
23B
11A
35C
14B
28C
7A
33C
16B
23B
33C
21B
29C
17B
30C
32C
35C
30C
18B
7A
22B
19B
00
33C
27C
15B
1A
5A
11A
11A
30C
27C
36C
6A
5A
24B
4A
16B
22B
9A
18B
29C
35C
8A
21B
9A
28C
8A
16
17B
7A
21B
27C
27C
14B
00
24B
7A
21B
9A
25C
13B
16B
10A
20B
18B
32C
00
27C
19B
20B
1A
5A
36C
29C
00
11A
22B
30C
4A
18B
2A
30C
32C
33C
33C
31B
12A
16B
17B
2A
6A
4A
9A
11A
13B
15B
3A
29C
8A
24B
19B
28C
9A
15B
19B
10A
7A
18B
11A
11A
22B
35C
25C
6A
26C
25C
1A
28C
30C
7A
20B
3A
16B
5A
8A
32C
29C
11A
17B
14B
6A
23B
15B
10A
22B
20B
28C
13B
16B
4A
13B
20B
34C
9A
18B
16B
23B
18B
11A
33C
30C
20B
17B
1A
8A
13B
18B
14B
4A
25C
18B
30C
28C
9A
9A
3A
10A
19B
14B
7A
33C
29C
27C
00
5A
18B
8A
11A
27C
32C
32C
27C
21B
12A
13B
00
30C
35C
7A
2A
9A
10A
36C
34C
11A
3A
17B
2A
2A
19B
19B
26C
1A
11A
29C
9A
30C
15B
35C
11A
29C
16B
28C
1A
7A
20B
19B
16B
14B
35C
31C
17B
31C
22B
34C
9A
19B
5A
28C
6A
16B
1A
31C
6A
18B
17B
3A
31C
25C
3A
30C
11A
6A
36C
26C
35C
23B
30C
31C
1A
00

==============

Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
31.03.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
306 balanced dozen hamburg

14B=trigger
35C
25C
20B
1A
31C
9A
13B
6A
27C
5A
25C
1A
33C
19B
11A
17B
18B
3A
10A
36C
17B
13B
36C
22B
34C
23B
8A
29 C
10A
29C
9A
7A
00
2A
25C
18B
18B
15B
35C
13B
33C
28C
22B
32C
14B
27C
6A
7A
27C
20B
28C
12A
27C
20B
23B
11A
35C
14B
28C
7A
33C
16B
23B
33C
21B
29C
17B
30C
32C
35C
30C
18B
7A
22B
19B
00
33C
27C
15B
1A
5A
11A
11A
30C
27C
36C
6A
5A
24B
4A
16B
22B
9A
18B
29C
35C
8A
21B
9A
28C
8A
16
17B
7A
21B
27C
27C
14B
00
24B
7A
21B
9A
25C
13B
16B
10A
20B
18B
32C
00
27C
19B
20B
1A
5A
36C
29C
00
11A
22B
30C
4A
18B
2A
30C
32C
33C
33C
31B
12A
16B
17B
2A
6A
4A
9A
11A
13B
15B
3A
29C
8A
24B
19B
28C
9A
15B
19B
10A
7A
18B
11A
11A
22B
35C
25C
6A
26C
25C
1A
28C
30C
7A
20B
3A
16B
5A
8A
32C
29C
11A
17B
14B
6A
23B
15B
10A
22B
20B
28C
13B
16B
4A
13B
20B
34C
9A
18B
16B
23B
18B
11A
33C
30C
20B
17B
1A
8A
13B
18B
14B
4A
25C
18B
30C
28C
9A
9A
3A
10A
19B
14B
7A
33C
29C
27C
00
5A
18B
8A
11A
27C
32C
32C
27C
21B
12A
13B
00
30C
35C
7A
2A
9A
10A
36C
34C
11A
3A
17B
2A
2A
19B
19B
26C
1A
11A
29C
9A
30C
15B
35C
11A
29C
16B
28C
1A
7A
20B
19B
16B
14B
35C
31C
17B
31C
22B
34C
9A
19B
5A
28C
6A
16B
1A
31C
6A
18B
17B
3A
31C
25C
3A
30C
11A
6A
36C
26C
35C
23B
30C
31C
1A
00

 

Hi Albalaha,
Yes, this from your great blog.

I did not mention your name, LEST people of mediocre will start spitting venom, as u see, bla.bla,blah...[ok, enough blabbering, cut it off] hahahhaaa

Dear Albalaha,

I see that u have kind heart, to educate people about the risk and danger of GAMBLING.

Everytime I visit my local casino,
one or twice,
err, ok , thrice in a month,

it very disheartening to see people,
Q-up at the ATM machine, strewn all over the casino.

to withdraw thousands Ringgit [usd3.8 to my local currency],

with haywire hair, and doubtful, anger look on their face.

This clearly show, they try to recoup their LOSSES!!!

and I doubt they will recoup, or even keep the money withdrew!

But as I see it,
people will not work hard to seek the answer,
they prefer the spitting cobra version.
or free working system, just to burn their fingers, or whole hand...

Maybe u already tired preaching to people , not to gamble.

And I also tired of posting any article.

But Que Sera Sera,
whatever they wanna be,
just be..........................

 

Beat the Wheel,

I still don't see the point in the virtual bets.

Mathematically, how are they changing the probability of winning?

 

Heloooo Dr Anyone2.

Being an expert in probability, or even PhD in the Law of probability,
wont get u anywhere.
Just forget gambling.
It just not for u.

I see that u always,
insist on PROBABILITY.
I told u,
in the end ,
EC will have near equilibrium, of 50%, minus Zero.
But the distribution will not,
they will, or will not,
or rather MAY, or may not, EVENLY distributed.

U must understand or become the expert in other LAW.
namely,
law of variance,
law of uneven distribution,
law of random limit,
law of avoiding losses,
law of rtm, dispersion, clumping,bla,bla, bla

ONE PERTINENT question.
Do u understand
the law of Persistence?
LAW OF CONCENTRATION?
Law of study hard?
law of definite purpose?

NONE!
U have NONE!
U just blabbering here,
without the eagerness to study, to do research,
to really understand what people are trying to hint .

People with HG will not post all and clearly here,
even if they post bare them all here, u will not understand,
because,
u just an expert
of...duh..PROBABILITY? THIRD?

That Law of probability, BLA,BLA,
already stale,
since the first casino open shop, 300years ago.
It like telling people u must keep breathing, to
stay alive. duh!

I tell u what.
Without PREJUDICE, and throw out the mediocre mindset.
open up your mind.
Go to Albalaha' s Blog at lefora,
and read every single words there,
as if u read the first love letter from the girl, u fell in love with,
and read and reread, not twice, or thrice,
but HUNDREDS of time,
spend the next 6monts there,
dont comment, or dont even read any forum of gambling.
Just read that blog for the next 6months,
very slowly, painstakingly,
and with great power of concentration,
and enthusiasm, and persistence, and definite PURPOSE to LEARN.

And u will come out a different man, of gambling!

I say without PREJUDICE!
U understand what that word mean?

And I doubt u will even spend one hour reading Albalaha 's ,
WHY?

Because of superiority complex,
or worse, inferior complex!

Just because u understand the law of probability, house edge,
the law of third,bla,bla,bla,

u feel u can debate about gambling?
DUH!

Just do as I say, and we meet again 6months later.
And u will thanks me and Albalaha.

will u????
I doubt u will,
why?

Because u lack
1]Definite purpose.
2]Enthusiasm
3]Power of concentration.
4]Fear of hard word.
5]Fear of midnight oil.
6]Fear of being wrong.

and WORST..
EGO!!!!!

 

When I say,
Read ALBALAHA'S blog.

I sense people will snigger and the wanna spit venom to the reply section section.

MIND U!
1] Reading Albalaha'a will not COST u a single CENT.

2] Albalaha, never pay me a single cent.

3] I never pay anyone a single, nor earn any single cent from anyone .

What I get from his blog,
was, and is....

EDUCATION!

EDUCATION!

EDUCATION!

 

Indeed. That's because he's often wrong about the simplest things.

Take the Van Keelen Test, for instance. He has a thread about it on his blog. When someone asks if it's for flat betting only, Albalaha replies:

"A method is any predefined way of playing, be it flat bet or with progression. This test is for any system."

This is incredibly (and obviously) wrong. The math involved for figuring flat bets for this test, and for figuring progression bets, have nothing to do with each other. In fact, the whole POINT of the test is to see if you have a flat betting system that tests well enough that it would respond well to a progression. This huge fact seems to have gone completely over Albalaha's head, he just didn't get it.

Here's an explanation:

"The Van Keelen Test sets into relationship the net gain of a system to the number of placed bets, whereby the minimum number of the placed bets checked for all chances must amount to at least 1000. The units wagered must be of equal value; NO PROGRESSION IS TO BE USED... even a negative result can be still another feature of a good system. Because if a system indicates a real superiority over ZERO, the possibility exists, that with an adapted progression continuous gains can be obtained."

 

Point taken. Thanks for correcting.

 

Thanks for pointing out the error.

As I see it, That test is for to see how the EQUILIBRIUM "scale",
will point to.

If the method or system always, or constantly,
produce state of near equilibrium, then any simple strategy will profit.

But, NOT THAT SIMPLE!!!

Even if the method or system always produce equilibrium, the HIT, not always EVENLY distributed,
Thus we need another strategy, to take advantage of this uneven, sleeper, or clumping hits.

eg.
If we try to , say, 'win at first HIT".
Then we will have, best,
hit at very first spins,
and worst,
at 20+ spins.

Thus we could see that, the 'win at first HIT"...
was, and is , and will..NOT be a good basic for any progression...

If we take , say Kimo Li, pinwheel strategy,
we will see, flatbet, the method will always,
have, at the end after 100 or 200bet taken,
will always near equilibrium,

and if we PUSH them with a simple progression, AND,
BUT, with the understanding the law of random distribution, and law of ,



and u will win CONSTANTLY.
I say CONSTANTLY, as no HG will win 100%, of session...


Ekaps.

Kattila's is best of best to bet single dozen, but it lack the power to win constantly,
do u know the flaw will kill u?

Ekaps.
Even if u have PhD in , in Van Keelen Test.
That will not make u understand how the HG works.


U still need to understand other LAWS.

Read Albalaha's blog with burning desire, with
the definite purpose of gaining the knowledge and education,
needed for understanding how to gambling to win constantly....
with open mind and without prejudice.
Spent many hours there.

picking a catfight and constantly bickering about 'stale' laws, only make u pedaling backward,

be humble, be enthusiastic, to learn, burn midnight oil, do research, etc.

and u will understand ONE knowledge needed to shout out like Archimedes,

the knowledge that u, do not even realized exist, but seen them before!
[but no need to run naked..hehehee]

If u are LAZY, uninitiated, doubtful, egoistic,
then just forget gambling,
go back to the ground,
stop daydreaming,
go back to work.

Seems that everyone is EXPERT in single specific Law, of specialist,


Knowledge is power?
No,
Knowledge is ONLY potential power,

Knowledge is power,
if u use it the right way.

 

I know that I have too many daily lurkers on my blog but instead of politely accepting and thanking for my efforts, many shows ignorance. I would be happy if they learn something from there and better their skills to lose lesser and in lesser foolish manner, even if they do not win a tonne. That is the motive behind my blog.
Love me or hate me but you can not forget me.

 

You don't get it. I knew IMMEDIATELY that you were wrong. The math for flat betting on EC's and the math for progressions is completely different. How could they both apply on the same test? Yet you, and whoever else read your 'wisdom', didn't know that. WHY? Because you're all ego and bluster, that's why. The way you dismissed me as a 'child' for claiming an advantage can be had from looking at past spins is a prime example. You don't base that opinion on research, on hard facts. You base it on something you read or heard. You just repeat whatever gossip you hear and report it as hard facts.

I consider your blog to be mostly fantasy. You don't care about the facts, you just want a name for yourself, to repeat what others believe. I see nothing there that's worth 10 cents in a real world casino, betting real world money. If there is, show us or be quiet about it. Love you or hate you? I do neither, I dismiss you as an amateur.

 

You do it, the rest of us have better things to do than be bored to death with conjecture and hyperbole. You study his writings for years and tell us how that went for you. Maybe a miracle will happen and you will see the light. I wouldn't bet on it, though..

 

Don't jump too much. You are not Van-Kleen. You just pointed me to an argument in the theory that I missed. I thanked you for that. Nothing of your personal intellect.
Hundreds of thousands of lurkers of your standards have passed through my blog and I get a few hundred views daily still while I do not have compilation of systems. You and your mentor turbo are fallacy mongers of the worst type that I have seen in recent times. Any sane person having knowledge of maths can attest this.

 

He's not my mentor. Very few fallacies concerning roulette are actual fallacies. The fallacies themselves are actually fallacies.

 

Alabalaha,

What's with Beat the Wheel? Is he your international sales rep.?