TurboGenius Light Ball! Test 1

Smitridel yes you never know when you can lose your bank so we are here testing and practicing so that we may know .
i know I have"nt lost it yet and that is what i know. the reason why we test right ? never know what the future holds but I can get a idea at least.
there are many systems that promise you can win 3 out of 5 sessions long term. there is a big "but" there. most of us will be home testing thousands of spins and we see that after thousands of spins we get our 3 out 5 wins.
now we go to the casino and been there done that, we sit down and lose our first session. mmm....okay here goes 200 units, but it can happen yes? next , another loss. shoot how unlucky I am today right? after 6 hours you take a brake and go back at it. you win 200 ! yes ! next
you lose 200 units again . now you are tired but you want at least brake even so you can tell your wife what a player you are.....
boom another 200 ! lost again.....now because you played so much at home you are looking in your head of all the wins you had accomplished.
maybe I can double up one time and get back to even ? its never happen before that i lost that way.
next thing you know you are driving home and thinking ; but it wins long term ! your faith never the less is gone tubing in perou and you are disgusted. I said all this to said that. is the 3 out 5 win helped me ? no ,and how many have lost 2k playing that way ? not all at once but it sure adds up. there is more then meet the eye in this lovely game. not many things are sure things in gambling. the thing I would bet on is just one win at a time. but a pretty sure win in my eyes. 365 happy days and one un-happy day may be worth trying . at least I will have some type of expectation. Murphy is in the bottom of the well pretty deep with this method and who knows when he will climb up ?
just sharing some thoughts my friend, I know you are making great points and you have miles on the tires. it is all good.

 

Rinad - definitely continue, I am busy testing 37-rolling cycle approach from 6th sense and CND posts in other thread that made interesting points about unhit, unique and repeats and how 1st spin of cycle that will disappear can potentially give you an advantage, though I do not yet understand how they exactly work out the advantage, I played good few testing sessions (mix of rng spins recorded from online tables and land based) with very good results flat betting. On average placing 7u per spin (playing max 2 new cycles) I am seeing a small edge and some patterns emerging of closely clustered wins with longer breaks, but knowing on avg how many wins I should have within 74 spins leaves a lot of room for potential small progression to take advantage of that. I might start separate post to pick other's brains as I am not sure yet how this can be improved.

 

Why are you having to test?

Common sense should tell you that you're wasting your time.

 

Common sense should also tell you that there are no faulty wheels in 2020 (due to laser recalibration etc) but we both know (or assume) that the above isnt true.

 

can a progression be used as a yard stick to discover the 'sweet spot' of being able to flat bet and overcome the long term house edge of roulette ?
example; during my testing with this Method , I have reached the 10 units per bet a few times .
and as I have mentioned I always got that little window of wins that I needed to make it back home safely.
what I have kept for myself is this.
after getting the sufficient amount of units to get back home I wanted to see "what would of happen next?" if i stayed at that 10 units per bet level and just kept on flat betting for a short time ?
results have been great . it would show that this sweet spot is exactly there, at the tail of the long losing streak .
it almost never fail that i could of made up much more then just recover during that time, making hundreds more units just flat betting at the higher bets.
that could be in itself a "sweet spot" strategy in itself made up with a "secondary bankroll".
just my 2 cents.
Cheers
Rinad

 

You should code this to see how it reacts under many spins (more than you can manually test).

 

I dont know how to do a lot of that stuff buddy , I am still way behind on that. almost all my studies I have done is rx and pen and paper. still if I had to lose a flat bet approach it is not too bad if one session makes it back up. that is the only way it should be play. 2 banks. the flat bet one would be 40 units . 40x50 = 2000 units . (cant be sure on that yet ,may be too many) . each spins cost 50 units at that level (5x10) and maybe even 500 would be suficient. I will keep track from now on.

 

So any thoughts from more sessions you played? Have you recorded your drawdowns, to allow for smaller bank and possible more frequent loss? As method selection you could also try this...
1. Wait for 37 spins, record all unhits (with rx its not an issue)
2. Wait for any of them to hit then bet on it, keep adding numbers as they show
You'll get a hit on those numbers again easily before 2nd spin cycle finishes, its a question whether to use progression if it happens closer to end of it, although from tests I've done you get usually 2+ hits.
I know it means longer wait than your original method, but some of the unhits always "hit" and some of those that hit will hit again in that cycle. While you are already backing numbers that hit twice and not that many 2x goes on to 3x within the same cycle

 

Here is a 8 cycle example (so 7 played). Max numbers played 5, stop on first win if it gives new high, if not keep going in this cycle until next win gives a new high (1 cycle needed 3 hits). All flat betting.

 

I have played about 400 sessions now ,even went to my local casino last week and played 10 session on the airball . nothing has change really.
I was down 500 units once and as usual came back on the top. the drawdowns are not what they seem. my highest units bets per unit was 7 $ for a short period and then 2 or 3 hits later was back on the safe side.
I know before even testing that it could be played with a 500 $ bank and it would take less to play it as oppose to 2000 units.
but if I would of done that allready I know for a fact that last week end I could of easily be out 500 units .
also in practice I would of lost several more 500 unit sessions and by now would be in the minus regarding all the wins. I would probably be -4000 units. so I am asking the question , what is the best path ?
why would I play a positive progression is another question that demands answering.
and third ; how should I improve it without reseting everything to square 0. meaning when you test it flat betting it will take hundreds of sessions to see how it is doing . every single time I change the fondation of it I am just trowing everything away as if it has never existed , and then try this, and try that, but how far are we willing to go in trying new things ?
I dont think a good idea should not be tried but we have to be carefull with testing.
I know why this has won so far and know it could lose . but I know also that if I ask the wheel to get me just a couple of wins within many, many spins, it will. it has to . time and pressure is all it takes.
think of it this way. winning the bigger bets will always beat the wheel .
I know that I can change numbers and go after new reapeaters and it may win in a shorter period.
a light bulb went inside my head a short time ago.
anything can be played in such way you probably will never lose. this is a big claim I know.
it is not about 5 numbers played and even repeats .
it is about statistics and anderstanding why you eventualy have to win.
the moving up after a hit when needed is crucial to do if you are in the minus a certain amount of units. at times you also can reduce the bets.
the wheel is willing to give me 2 to 3 wins max and so I work around that.
playing a even money, street, split, dont matter , I can live with those few wins without busting knowing I have the right bankroll to support me.
if busting is to be reduce I can bet on red ,using the same format , same positive progression, move to dozens,ect... to 5 numbers ,and I will get there. the wheel is forced to produce those few wins soon or later, and that is all I am counting on.
I dont want to talk my head off but I will post more results with drawdowns .
Cheers
Rinad

 

It it works best with 2000, then so be it. At least it gives a choice to anyone that wants to do it some basis on how much they need. Whether positive progression would be better you'd have to decide knowing your history of tests. Whether you usually get 2nd hit within X number of spins or not. For me personally risking 2000u to win small amount is not suitable, as I am pretty sure as soon as I go "live" I will hit that bad run fairly quickly.
Something I've seen so far, when testing gizmo's approach. I get more losers playing for real money then when testing even though I follow exactly same rules. A solution could be playing test sessions until I get a loser and only then move to real cash game knowing the session stats are in my favor? I know this does not really help you Rinad, just a thought.

 

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when I place a / sign it shows the mount per bets I had to place. the /10 shows I went to 10 unit per bet that time, stayed there until I went back to profit.

 

I did not keep track of drawdowns unless I was minus 1000+ units which did happen at the 10.00 $ level.
R.

 

do you play with a live dealer usualy or both ?
R.

 

I have had similar experience online so if that can be any comfort you are not the only one, but the only honest one. I could not even cash out my winning at "clublive ireland", they decided to stop paying everyone. dont recomend it. I had 800 $ in it but lost only my initial 200 $, and thank God I am not someone who trust easily. people can do very little when they get scammed !

 

I play mostly rng online, live dealer is too fast for some methods or in general does not allow me to take a break whenever I need to. Not sure if my results would be better with live dealer for example with 6 street repeater method, but I had a run of over 15 consecutive wins (target win 100u to 300u bank) on rng so don't think its cheating. I only use reputable, well known sites, of course any of them can close your account, but they will pay out what you have there.

 

Does that mean all sessions without /x finished with you playing 1u on each number?

 

yes it does . I think i had a good batch of spins there . sessions to me are behaving like single wins and losses. i am sure you have seen days where you can do no wrong , like when you described your 15 wins in a row with the street method. sessions do that as well. speaking with Rick about this very phenomenon it happens on a regular basis. I played the single street method live myself and did very poorly, i could not getting wins as I had previously done testing. and then you think when it happens that it is you or the method. no, it has happen during all my years of playing. what that does it make you doubt yourself and the system you are playing not anderstanding that it is part of the nature of randomness.
thousands of systems have been created because of that "effect". anyhow I am getting off the subject, sorry. yes these were great results , again not because it is a "super system" more because I played into a large swarm of wins.

 

Ok so it means in those 50 sessions you'd lose only 6 times if you'd play to a point of losing 36 units (as I understand from your original description you increase to 2 if you hit a win but are still not in new high). Question is what is the norm, how often you have to up the stakes.