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Roulette Making a simple system based on statistical data

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    (as Sir No One scrubs the internet for a bigger down arrow picture to post below)

    What a damn waste of time.
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    The big problem is that the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.
     
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    after 37 spins, we have this pattern. image 1.
    so thw overlapping pattern is image 2. (don't mind the chipsize, just an example)
    so we are back with betting sleepers again, oh boy. But why always say a, and then we are on our own! great teaching, thumbs up.
     

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    And it doesn't matter one bit when the wins come at a higher rate than what is required to profit.
    That's called the player having an advantage, it means "picking any numbers at random will produce the
    same results (1:37)" is wrong, just as it always has been.
     
  5. TurboGenius

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    Why are you betting and expecting a complete and total opposite pattern to result ????????????????????
    That's clearly impossible.
     
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    Turbo,

    Picking numbers at random will have the same results. After all, why shouldn't they?
    There's just no math to support your wild claims.

    You need to realize that at each spin, the past is erased and the normal distribution of numbers starts over.
     
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    Funny, but doing the sim and looking at the outcomes broken down like that has given me a new perspective on Turbo's ideas. I think he might be onto something.
     
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    No, i ain't. I do know that some of the old numbers will repeat in the next cycle, they just don't make the same pattern as the previous cycle, my iq isn't that low you know :)- i know this isn't possible (only in theory) but there isn't a way to always end in profit playing with this knowledge either.
     
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    Yes, losing.
     
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    correct. Each spin is an independant event over the previous.
     
  11. TurboGenius

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    What if I showed you results of "random" producing non-random results,
    what would you say there Sir No One ?
    I'm dying to know what you're comeback would be -
    A) Using random only
    B) Results are not random

    Would be amazing right ? Or would it even matter.
     
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    it doesn't matter how you bend it, betting cold numbers have the same odds as betting hot numbers. Come to think of it, there isn't really such a thing as hot and cold in roulette :)
     
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    and each session of spins (regardless of size) is INDEPENDENT from the previous session of spins, correct ??
     
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    Guys, it's a game with random outcomes.
    So you will never know what will happen in your next session, why? RANDOM
     

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    In the random game they are the SAME. There would have to be a PHYSICAL defect for them not to be.
     
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    correct.
     
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    The problem is that Turbo is being fooled by a free play mode. Free play modes are usually set to pay back at a rate that's higher than normal in order to attract gullible players.

    Once he gets out into the real gambling world and risks real money he will quickly discover that he has been fooled.
     
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    yes, indeed.
     
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    Yes, it starts over, but not all distributions are normal, in fact most are not even symmetrical. You know, I think I've been too hung up on the independence thing and should look more closely at the bias idea, which I believe has more in common with what Turbo is talking about.
     
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    The obvious problem is that the hot numbers won't consistently remain hot enough to overcome the normal expected distribution of the numbers. There are just tooooo many pockets on the wheel for it to work. This means you can get lucky for a brief while, but as the most common distribution happens more frequently, then the expectation is that the player will lose.

    Kongfused simulated the results over a few millions spins about eight years ago. He did several variations of it as well.
     
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