Roulette Math can beat a math game - and everyone can agree :)

Hey ! Long time no see ! Welcome.

@ Sir Any/Any - I agree with almost all of your post

 

Hi Rev,

Good to see you again!

 

No, they do not. They fail because of poor bet selection. Most systems don't last long enough for the HE to have even slightest effect on them. Again, the HE applies to the game, not the casino or the player. Every quarter a large casino might see the effect of
the HE, maybe not. Sometimes a casino will lose money on roulette in a quarter. How is that possible with the mighty HE in place? It only applies to the long term game. That means every wheel on the planet has to be taken as one big roulette game. There you will see the HE at work. Saying it effects a single player is not understanding the nature of the math involved.

 

Sometimes a casino may have a losing month because of the size of bets that have been placed by one or a few select players. In other words, the variance of a few large bets were greater in value than the small value bets placed by the majority.

By inputting various spin sample sizes you can easily see that after enough spins the house edge is by far the largest reason as to why system players lose. (flat betting)

Variance simplified = (+ or -) 3 x (the square root of the number of trials).
House edge = number of spins x 5.26%

In the random game, perhaps you can demonstrate mathematically which bets don't have a house edge on them?

 

All bets have the same HE, but the HE doesn't manifest itself in the short term. All casino table games are like that. The only dependable thing for the casino is the slots. They always make money because they are 100% controllable. No machine will ever give away more money in a month than it's supposed to.

There are systems that beat roulette. A few years ago on Victors forum they had a contest. Out of 6 players, I think 4 of them were still ahead after a month or 6 weeks. Not saying they would stay ahead forever, but if your understanding of the game is that good, you're not far off from figuring a way to stay ahead. It's all about anticipating which way the random outcomes are going. You're only dealing with 37 or 38 possible outcomes, not 200.

 

The house edge manifests itself in the form of a short payout every time you're paid on a win.

There are NO systems for beating the random game of roulette. There are however legitimate ways to beat the gaming device/dealer.

-Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

 

Again, you're missing the point. If past spins don't point to anything (as you say, and I agree), then how can there even POTENTIALLY be a bet selection which wins more than it loses? Card counting is an example of a system (or inventing your own game, as you put it) which was only capable of being discovered because of the dependent nature of blackjack, in other words, trials are not independent. Before Thorp discovered that counting could work, it was thought that blackjack was a negative expectation game just like roulette, but in blackjack, past results CAN point to something, and this is what Thorp discovered after lengthy computer simulations and analysis.

To say that past spins don't point to anything and at the same time insist that there is potentially a way to choose bets which give a higher expectation than probability dictates, based on observing past spins, is simply incoherent. You can't have it both ways.

 

So what, that doesn't effect me, I still win. If I win 5 out of 6 times forever, the HE is meaningless as far as I'm concerned.

 

It's called probability. I can prove past spins can't point to anything. With the game I made up, I can get 10 numbers from 10 different wheels and use them to make my next bet. After I get the 10 numbers, I make a virtual bet and get the next outcome from a randomly chosen wheel. I get exactly the same results doing this as I get using the continuous numbers from one wheel. Random results from random wheels.

This proves conclusively that past spins cannot point to future spins. It puts to rest the concept of using 'triggers' to make a bet. There can be no triggers, no waiting for anything, you are dealing with purely random results.

 

EKAPS,

Perhaps you can explain how you can improve your bet selection and win?

 

There is no way to beat the game period. Nothing. Nada. Advantage play is fiction. Doesn't work. Casinos are well aware of AP methods and take countermeasures.

 

So what you're saying is that people like me don't e...x......i...................s...........................................................................................................t?

 

I already did. Use past spins.

 

Why is it you think you can speak for everyone? It's not possible for YOU is what you mean.

 

Yes!
You are an illusion )))

 

Just my opinion, about everyone ;0)

 

Ok. Cool

 

EKAPS,

Can you give us an example of how you use past spins?

 

You mean will I show you what I do to win in the casino? Why on earth would I do that? I pointed you in the right direction, you have to do your own work.

 

Ah, I get it. Past spins cannot point to future spins for ME, but they can for YOU.

LOL, ever get the feeling you've been "Spiked".

So I am, but YOU are not, apparently.