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Roulette Math Players vs System Players

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Keyser Soze, Dec 11, 2021.

  1. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Spike, you have special god gifted discretionary powers than can read future roulette outcomes.

    I am the average Joe with no special powers.

    Precogmiles must like your claim.
     
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  2. thereddiamanthe

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    @Luckyfella the two posts got mixed into one at publishing .. no relevance to royalties.. & too late to edit once noticed .. pm, you'll know.
     
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  3. SPIKE

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    God gifted my ass. I work my butt off for decade-and-a-half to get where I am, God had nothing to do with it. All I do is make educated guesses from my experience of looking at tens of thousands of outcomes. Anybody could do it if they took the time to learn
     
  4. precogm

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    lol why would I be impressed by something similar to astrology (which in my opinion is what RR most resembles)? Also Psychic abilities have existed for the last 10000 years, it is nothing new.

    I am more amazed at those who have managed to predict roulette results by using logic and math.

    How someone uses 1+1=2 to prove 1+1=3 is the most mysterious thing I have ever heard.

    I am truly fascinated by this claim which is why I keep asking for a demonstration.
     
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  5. gizmotron

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    It's all laid out for you In the RR thread. Unfortunately there are interruptions along the way in that thread. First you learn the importance of visual dexterity and how it applies to the six groupings. Next you get familiar with finding recognizable trends and patterns. You are not done learning the skill yet. Next you must wait until it is playing your game as Spike has stated it. I call it working in your favor or effectiveness. So you have bet selections combined with knowing when to pull the trigger and when not to. You must have that skill. People think that it's all known with just trend or pattern identification. Next, when you can see it working you go from virtual betting to real betting. In my case I use smallest bet allowed and at least 20 times that for the funded bets. Some people call this money management. It is technically. It's bet selection mixed with timing. You must become good at knowing when to fund your guesses. This is done by your playing chart that includes a wL list on the far left side. You are using EC bets so it's very simple to keep track of. If you are in a phase where you see more X's for wins than empty space for losses then you know by visual dexterity what the conditions are. This is not done by feeling, ESP, or witchcraft. This is done by observation and reaction.

    Now where experience comes into play is in a very high knowledge of trend and pattern experience. This is where Spike gets bet selection as being the most importance. I agree too. After thousands of hours of doing this with real money you get use to seeing familiar formations within formations. I labeled this as the global effect. It can be good and it can be bad. It can be huge or it can be a micro form of itself. A very simplified example would be that you see trends that swarm in all kinds of shapes and types but they have a big picture kind of trend to them. They only come in three's and four's in sizes before they change. This goes to noticing how the flow of over all data changes. You can know these things without needing special magical powers. To imply that this deeper knowledge is magic is sophistry.

    Now communicating deeper observation levels of understanding randomness is nearly impossible. You must work for it and experience seeing it for yourself. If you give up before seeing phases within phases then you will end up concluding that this is fake. If I put a gun to your head and you knew 100% for sure that I would turn your head into a canoe then you would be motivated to find out if I'm telling you the truth or not if what I just said to you is true. You need a lot of experience with bet selections and observation skills. But nobody is putting a gun to your head to become skillful and to know what I just told you about deeper layers of knowledge. We have lazy people that form an opinion out of ignorance. And we have people that have worked on it for hundreds if not thousands of hours. It's just like being able to play Kumbaya on an acoustic guitar to sing along with and comparing that to a person so skillful as to play 'Dazed and Confused' by Led Zeppelin for entertainment purposes on a wall of Marshall amps. If you suck at RR then you are not qualified to judge it any more than some jerk playing his ukulele at Carnegie Hall after a few months of skill learning.

    There is no way to pass up on observational skills and experience and to know what this really is. To call Spike or myself liars over this level of skill is pretentious and arrogant. It's like letting a moron run for president and actually letting him win. It's a bad idea to let the uneducated tell those that have worked very hard to learn something that they need to be canceled. To label it magic, like you are trying to do, is trying to cancel it. So fuck off and die. You are not qualified to label Reading Randomness "astrology." There is no point in ever trying to be civil to you. So shove that magic wand up your ass and limp your jive-ass crippled unqualified opinion off a cliff. You are just embarrassing yourself.
     
  6. precogm

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    Ok lol RR is the greatest scientific discovery that humanity has ever made.

    Good luck and keep winning.
     
  7. gizmotron

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    This is you, your own words:

     

  8. precogm

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    Yes I have changed my mind, you have shown me the error of my foolish ways.

    For this great scientific discovery you should be given the Nobel prize for both economics and mathematics.

    Only a genius could discover RR. So congratulations.

    Good luck. Wish you all the best.
     
  9. gizmotron

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    I'm surprised you didn't see this coming, Kreskin.
     
  10. gizmotron

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    I found the one guy that failed after publicly testing RR. He's a precog guy. I read most of his comments. You will have to judge for yourself. If you are skilled at RR then you will see his mistakes. If you are not then you will agree with him. He went back to precognition.

    kairomancer

    Page 61 "I have to admit that my self control and patience clearly lacked today as I bet lot more often than I should. Also I had a few exit point where I clearly had a chance to cut my losses, but I kept betting till I forced a failure in the spirit of 3 vs 7.
    I could have won just as easily, but this time I did not.
    Many times I lose because I keep feeding a losing streak, because virtual bet wins frustrate me when I notice a good pattern.
    I would rather play continous style or just simply do not bet at all, then to virtual win then lose for real because of bad luck. Of course this would lead to more losses, but perhaps a few easy wins would still balance things out. If gizmo's patterns have any merit and better than random guesses then there should be a clear edge, hence there is no need to have this virtual bet rationalization loop hole.

    I also know it is easy to rationalize the losses, but when it works I also play the same way."

    This guy never understood the "when it's working" virtual bets part of this method. It's all there in the RR thread.
     
  11. SPIKE

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    Astrology, are you joking? Astrology has been proven over and over to be a sham, just like precog is a sham. Nobody can foretell the future because the future hasn't happened yet. You will never guess the next spin in roulette with precog. With logic and experience, maybe. Because roulette only has a finite small number of pockets on the wheel and they never change, that means with a lot of work you can kind of sort of figure out the logic that random displays sometimes. Certainly not all the time and that's why you have to bet in virtually until it's displaying something that you're familiar with and not something totally chaotic. Hoq to recognize when that's happening you have to spend a huge amount of time examining the past outcomes. Which almost nobody is willing to do because they are lazy gamblers, they want something for nothing, that's why people gamble. For years I kept my filled up notebooks from practice sessions until I had boxes of them. A couple years ago I threw them all out because they're worthless. What I need to know is in my head and not in some notebook I wrote 7 years ago. It's like driving a car on a long trip your conscious mind is not really paying attention to your driving skills but your subconscious mind is always paying attention. That's what happens when I look at roulette outcomes, I don't know why I know what I know but my subconscious knows from all the practicing.
     
  12. karumba

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    Sergio, I think it's seriously self-defeating to give away a winning system. Even selling a winning system is self-defeating. Just keep it to yourself and pass it on to your children when you die. I'll tell you why.

    Okay, so you have a winning system. You give it away to people who you think need it. What are they going to do with it? I'll tell you what they're going to do with it:

    1. They're going to tell others about it, or even sell it to others.

    2. Because of the multiplication of the thousands and thousands of people who will end up using your winning system due to 1, the casinos are gonna start losing money hand over fist.

    Therefore, what do you think the casinos are going to do? Just go bankrupt without doing anything about it? I am sure they will adjust and try damn hard to make sure they continue to make a profit. The casinos will change things so that your winning system no longer wins.

    If you really want to make sure your winning system remains a winning system, and help people at the same time, then do this. Just use your winning system to slowly increase your bankroll over time. As it gets larger and larger, you can throw some of your increasing bankroll to some who you think need it.

    And don't forget to try and be stealthy with the way you win. If the casinos cotton on that you are taking away some profits from them, they will undoubtedly try and back you off in some way.
     
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  13. Shank

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    Sometimes you have a convincing explaination, but in action, the explaination is just yet another wrong assumption. How to find out? Test.
     
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    Really jail time??? Do you live in japan?
     

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    is this possible to talk with you private about sport betting
     
  16. baccarou

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    Never knew about this thread and looking forward to reading it.
    Here is something though, you don't have to fall on one side or the other, be it either ''maths or systems''
    Why not use the math to create a better system based on some solid ground.
    A good starting point for EC's would be the fact that 50% are singles and 25% are doubles.
    As simple as the above sounds, it can be the mainstay of a good system.
     
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  17. baccarou

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    That was a waste of 30 minutes, I should have known better!
     
  18. Ordinary_people

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    What you say here. I absolutely agree especially the bold statement.

    For someone if wanna improve your play.

    Think harder. Learn the math, entropy and combine positive input. And the last thing. Never give up to learn

    It can be win by flatbet.
    The more you play the more you win but of course doesn't mean never face losing session.
     
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  19. Ordinary_people

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    Additional :
    - Discipline
    - Not let emotion affect your game especially when face the losing streak
    - Set your make sense win target / stop loss
     
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  20. SPIKE

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    Gambling without a goal is a fool's errand yet it is what 99.9% of gamblers do. They have goals for everything else in their life, and I mean everything. When they get in their car they know where they're going, when they eat a meal they know when to stop, when they go to work they know when to go home, at night they know when to go to bed. On and on, our lives are nothing but goals. Yet tell people they should have a goal when they're gambling and they will look at you like you're the stupidest person they've ever talked to. I cannot count the number of times where my wife has been far ahead on the slot machines and she just sits there until she loses it all. That's because she has no goal, she has no idea when to stop. So she quits when she runs out of money or the casino closes and the casino never closes. So there you go..
     
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