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Roulette Math Players vs System Players

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Keyser Soze, Dec 11, 2021.

  1. Mako

    Mako Well-Known Member

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    Excellent, that's the right attitude. It may take much longer than it may seem, took years for me personally as I'm a bit slow ;) but you will get there if you're persistent and apply the right controls to your tests/research.
     
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  2. karumba

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    yes, true. that's one element of a fullproof system.
     
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  3. thereddiamanthe

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  4. thereddiamanthe

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    & DrTalos, don't mind if you believe in him having hg or not;

    in his body of work .. you'll find a whole array of assorted pieces like this.
     
  5. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Years? Are you kidding?

    2decades and more, have been studying this shit since I left college. Last decade actively trawling gambling forums. Thrown away thousands of codes. 24/7 testing last 8 years. Joined private discussion group comprising the roulette best brains.

    Result? Nothing, nada, zilch.
    Gave up multiple times.
    Fact is everyone gave up.

    Until I quit chasing voodoo patterns.
    Learn real math.
     
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  6. SPIKE

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    Actually it's 'forget the math' but you'll never understand that. The math will only tell you what you can't do, it will not tell you what you can do. That's because the math is very limited and once you're doing something different the math changes. It's like having a map of your state that was printed in 1950 and using it to get around. A lot has changed since 1950 and that map is no longer relevant.
     
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  7. Rond1nell1

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    I have come to understand this already, natural randomness produces many opportunities that we can explore. Before, I was working with mathematics, trying to explore delays among other things and not leaving my place.
     
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  8. Luckyfella

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    Spike, let me explain the difference and other methods.

    There's regression to mean method.
    There's negative progression method.
    There's parachute method.
    There's discretionary guessing to ride the trend.
    There's discretionary guessing to fade the trend.
    There's Winkel's markov chain idea.
    There's RRBB derived stream.
    There's Turbo's hottie and sleepers.
    There's Vaddi pair.
    There's dyslexic pigeonhole principle.
    There's DrTalos.


    These are the main methods.
    And plenty more....

    The acid test criteria of a true positive edge systems betting strategy.

    Can it win flatbet?
    Does it win the more you play?
    Do you know what's your systems betting edge?
    Can you explain why your betselection hit better than odds? (if you can't explain it's ok because not everyone is competent enough to give math explanation. A brief logical description will do.)
    What's the drawdown of your systems betting strategy? The max drawdown can be calculated based on the known positive edge.

    Proof of concept is the ultimate proof.


    Do you agree your systems betting positive edge got nothing to do with money management?

    Do you agree your systems betting positive got nothing to do with gamblers psychology?

    Do you agree your systems betting positive edge will produce the same winning result even if played by an idiot or a monkey?

    I am not claiming to have the best systems betting strategy. This is not the biggest dick show off.

    After failing for more than 2 decades, I am a hardcore naysayer. I don't believe anyone's claim unless he pass the acid tests I post above.

    To me, systems betting win until it doesn't.

    Sorry, I have to declare my honest opinion about systems betting.
    I refuse to spread false information.
    I stand by what I write.
     
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  9. SPIKE

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    The method I use in roulette is based entirely on bet selection. If you have the correct betselection you don't need money management. That became obvious to me early on so I always concentrated on making the best bet selection possible. Most money management schemes are to cover up your bad choices in bet selection.
     
  10. Luckyfella

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    Warning - don't believe the beautiful charts posted on forum.

    Beautiful charts mean nothing. Beautiful charts with millions of spins mean nothing.

    That's why there is no proof good enough on forum.
     
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  11. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    SirAnyone wrote one useful post in his 15years posting career on multiple forums.

    Why must your betselection hit better than odds?

    This question must be answered.
     
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  12. Luckyfella

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    The performance appraisal criteria for ALL betting strategy is not measured by,

    The units gain.
    The $ profit.

    It's measured by the edge %.

    The correct measure is the risk adjusted risk reward. That takes into account the max drawdown.
     
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  13. Luckyfella

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    Sergio, you don't need sophisticated software. No bs software required.

    Track with pencil and paper provided by the casino. It's simple kindergarten stuff.

    Don't ever buy magic softwares. It's a sure scam. Caveat emptor!!!
     
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  14. Luckyfella

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    Is this another of your attempts to sell bs software for money?

    When are you going to post your beautiful chart to fool people? Then sell your software.

    Real winners sell NOTHING.
    Real winners collect cash from the casino.
     
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  15. SERGIO

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    Of course, you don't need software to win.
    To win in a face-to-face casino, but to win in an online casino, if necessary due to the speed at which bets have to be made.
    I am more of an online casino player than a face-to-face casino player, I don't have time to attend the face-to-face casino every day.
     
  16. Luckyfella

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    Online casinos have live dealer betting window around 1 minute.

    Immersive is 23seconds.

    Others around 15-18seconds.

    Only the speed roulette is too fast.

    Why can't you place your bets inside 15seconds betting window?

    The problem with online live dealer is they log you out if you don't place bet for too long.

    Same thing happens with b&m electronic tables. Your card is ejected.

    Imagine the pit boss see you use your roulette apps on your phone. There's no way to use phone apps to win big in b&m casino.
     
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  17. SERGIO

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    At no time am I making software to scam anyone.
    I already learned from the mistake I made in the past in trusting to reveal a way to earn for money, thank goodness that I am quite intelligent and I did not deliver the form quickly, I already expected that it would be shared with many people.
    I did the right thing not to return the money to a person who did not keep his word, anyone would have done it and I do not care what they say about me.
    My intention to make software is to help people who can't win to win. The software, if I finish it, will be totally free for the people that I think appropriate, I will only ask for a small commission of the money they earn from the casino for using my software, nothing more, surely 30%.
    But every day I am doubting more whether to make it known in public, surely it will only be delivered to people who have trusted me for years, I do not think I will make it public, but if I will show how I win on a new YouTube channel so that people who He has always spoken ill of me, shut up, showing that I can win with facts and not graphics.
    Achieving a way to win really cost me many years just like you and I appreciate what I have achieved, but I do not want to be selfish, when I know that I can help many people.
     
  18. SERGIO

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    In the casinos that I play, they are the ones that are regulated by the Spanish gambling ministry.
    I am not going to play in casinos that are not in order in Spain, not because I can not, but because it has already happened to me sometime that they have restricted me from playing in some casinos having money in them and I have lost money, I will not continue putting in I risk my money in casinos that disappear overnight and do it with my money.
    I have an extended family and I cannot afford to give away the money to these casinos that disappear when they want.
     
  19. Luckyfella

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    Sergio, you are playing with words.

    Free means free, no money in exchange of.
    Completely free with no qualification.
    That's what free means.

    You are selling your software if you collect money, in whatever form.

    If your sophisticated software is such a great winner, collect from the online casinos.

    Why collect from other people?

    Don't give bullshit excuses.

    Come on Sergio,

    Collect from the casino.
    Go make your millions.

    Stop this bs excuse about helping people.

    If you are the true Saint overwhelmed with altruistic itch, it's simple to solve your problem.

    Write a post, clearly explain your strategy in detail.
     
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  20. SPIKE

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    In order to beat the casinos edge a with better edge of my own, I must have a bet selection that lets me win far more often than I lose. This makes the casinos edge disappear and my edge dominates. The casino now has to beat my edge which they can only do if I play my game when the outcomes tell me not to. That's an advantage I have over the casino, I can jump in and out of the game and they cannot. The casino is forced to play the game as it unfolds, and I am not. I can choose to only bet when I see my advantage. Knowing when not to bet is about eighty percent of winning this game. Took me years to learn that.
     

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