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Roulette Mathematical Averages

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by juneau, Oct 2, 2018.

  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Active Member Founding Member

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    Sputnik,


    The Guetting progression is ideal for the EC bet selection Just follow the rules as given . Just ignore the UP and pull and follow the rules of the Guetting when to go up by 50 % after 2 wins in a row or step to a lower level after a loss .
     
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  2. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Active Member Founding Member

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    Sputnik ,

    Best to GOOGLE " Charles Gutting progression ".



    For recreational purposes . Play at your own risk.
     
  3. juneau

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    .....there's no martingale here.....I'm talking about predicting the future with mathematical probability ...... I notice that nobody has come up with an explanation: re my earlier post Thursday..... do your simulations, 1/4, what is the average number of misses showing
    between the last X & the next X ?.....and how would you deal with it: I've already explained how I deal with it...
     
  4. Nathan Detroit

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    Sputnik ,

    The 122 system for roulette is a short term play not to be continued into any additional method .


    However the 122 for Baccarat is a horse of a different color there you might be able to continue into the up and pull method. For more details you must have a copy of JP Baccarat book.


    In his Baccarat book JP cautions not to apply the Baccarat 122 to the roulette version which is finite after the third bet .


    If you win the first bet the series is over. If lost You bet 2 as the second bet. If you win that one you stop. If you lose that one you make the final third bet of that series .
     
  5. jbs

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    And NONE of this bullshit will make you a winner.

    If you can't make a living from it, it DOESN'T WORK! And this....DOESN'T WORK!!
     
  6. Sputnik

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    ND what page in JP baccarat book - have it - but I jump from page to page and cannot remember

    Cheers
     
  7. Nathan Detroit

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    Chapter 15 , page 164 -166 .
     
  8. Nathan Detroit

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    Sputnik ,

    On page 165 you will find a schedule of various options once you have reached that stage with a win of that 3rd after having lost the previous 2 decisions .
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    You never really explained what you mean.
    But whatever the average is that you're looking for, the house payoff will still be short of the odds of winning.
     
  10. juneau

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    .....O.K. with the odds at one-in-four: in 104 picks, if one picks every time one will expect to show an average of 26 X's or correct picks & 78 0's or misses in those 104 picks......in a fair game where one is given +3 to one for every correct pick one would of course break even...i.e. 3 0's or misses for every X posted....people say they see no patterns......I see mathematical patterns galore...I see that with at least one miss between the last and next X an averages of four misses.....i.e.: X0000X...so, simply view but not commit at that first miss after the last X and one is left with: 000X..... one breaks even with the odds of 3 misses for every X.....however, you will subsequently "pair" or pick correctly according to the odds at your 17th +3...34th +3...51st...+3....etc....picks....keep counting...it goes on forever....i.e: 000X-even...000X-even...000X-even...000XX+3
    ....now, I,m picking my average: 000X, and then "pairing" according to the odds after my 4th X....eveything I've done is just to pick according to the odds:....right or wrong?.....
     
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    Anyone?
     
  12. Nathan Detroit

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    ..................and Where is the B I G pile of winnings ?
     
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    ...and what happens when your selection wins when you don't bet?
     
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    The art of g(u)etting!
     
  15. Nathan Detroit

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    While going up the ladder with the Guetting one should know when to quit . It is not the stairways to the stars .
     
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    Only sky is the true limit!
     
  17. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Can you explain what you're trying to bet? Your probability looks like chaos.
     
  18. juneau

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    .....someone has asked what happens when my selection wins when I don't bet....say what: I always bet my selection.....let's try it this way: do your math i.e. you will find that it is calculable that in a 1/4 game your average consecutive misses is FOUR... LABEL YOUR MISSES READING LEFT TO RIGHT: A1, B2, C3, & D4.....PICK AT B2.....WHEN A1 shows you merely start over..... you are always picking at 1/4...
     
  19. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    How many numbers are you betting? For how many spins?

    What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
     
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    .....dear sir: with my method of play the wheel itself tells me what numbers to bet....since only 8.9 different numbers will show in 10 spins of the wheel I can only win 24% of the time X four = 96%....not enough to break even.....however, my 4th pick at B2 = 120%, because my 4th pick has the calculable average of the necessary four consecutive misses preceding it...you only pick ONCE AFTER AN X...then wait for another one...i.e. it looks like this: X now pick once (0).....X now pick once (0).....X now pick once (0).....X now pick once....now there is your calculable +3 because we now have your necessary expected consecutive 4 losses in a 1/4th game......and your 4th pick now has to be on average an X....one thing about mathematical averages, they are extremely dependable....I can do +20% in roulette...I can get rid of the house 25% advantage in Keno in a one-in-four bet....I can do +16% when dealing with the hard ways or pairing the die in Craps....or how about "the big wheel", an exciting idea....no cards in this project....I don't know how much more I can explain this, you might try listing what I've said here in a vertical posting & it should become perfectly clear.....I pick 10 single consecutive times, one number at a time in roulette...( my 4th pick @ 24% = 120% because I have the necessary predictable 4 missed average just prior to my pick....Do the math: G/N at 25% is a four miss average consecutive misses supporting our pick, our pick coming in at five presumed attempts....(only four for us)
     

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