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Roulette More on that so called Fallacy.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Sorry to say but this cat from Holland is not too happy with the Wise Guys he encountered on this forum .



    ND
     
  2. gizmotron

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    "Yes, and i would have won on all of them!"

    So explain in detail how each one would have won for you. Show me step by step. Please communicate so that a kindergarten pupil would understand it. You have all the before and after examples to use. Show us the steps please.
     
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  3. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'll be waiting, I can wait years if you want.
    I don't care how many spins you need - no one said anything about -20std in 10 spins lol.
    So where are the random outcomes where a number goes from a negative deviation to a lower,
    lower, lower and lower -
    OR.....
    You can just admit what everyone knows - numbers go from a high Std Dev and work towards the average as expected. (oops, drift... you said it yourself). Also - some numbers go from a low Std Dev and work (DRIFT ! dammit I have to retrain my brain to accept your terms that mean the same as mine)... and drift towards the average
    as expected.
    No bias wheels - I know that's all you know... that magical + STD DEV that keeps going and going and going into the positive because of the unicorn defect. I'm talking random here - so I'll just wait...
     
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  4. Benas

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    That STD will go to positive side necessary find defect, or to have a special skill to predict. Only then is possible to win, at least for me, but think that not only for me...
    If you claim, that you can win against random ok, but this way you can easy show such winnings for the public. Not need any explanations simply show how you win. If you will do this - all internet war between you and AP will be stoped. Question why you do not do this?
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Where on earth did I say that the standard deviation would go lower and lower with a random number?!!


    What I said is that the following.

    "Regarding standard deviation and randomness. In roulette the standard deviation for a number could remain zero (no standard deviation), but as the spin sample grows larger and larger, the number of hits required to break even still grows larger and larger. I know this has you confused because you don't comprehend what standard deviations are or how they're actually calculated.(See the example below.)

    38 spins... a random number is 2 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    380 spins... a random number is 20 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    3800 spins... a random number is 200 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    38000 spins... a random number is 2000 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    380000 spins... a random number is 20000 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    3800000 spins... a random number is 200000 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.

    This means, the longer that you play the random game, the farther you will drift away from break even, even if there is no standard deviation for a number."
     
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  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    I don't usually talk about standard deviations with you because I know you don't comprehend them.

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    "In the post above I should say, where did I say that the standard deviation would grow larger?"
     

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  7. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Sighs and moves on.
     
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  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Checkmate.
     

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  9. jekhb1976

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    Turbo did explain it, and i showed you also the path to take, more then once.
    You have all the tools to work it out by yourself. But no, you and all you're bias friends are waiting to get it on a silver platter, sorry, ain't gonna happen.
    You have to work and study for it. just like a teacher handing over all the awnsers to his students for an exam, he could, but would they learn if he did? No.
    Turbo has given so many directions that would get you all on the right path to winning, but all you guys can do is calling people names etc.
    But hey, i guess nothing has changed in the last eight years. sad, that i'm one of the few who really paid attention to what he has said and explained, just sad.
     
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  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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  11. jekhb1976

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    you can laugh as much as you want, but it won't bring you any further :)
    Hell, i laugh too, and i'll be thinking about you when i win again today, tomorrow, next week........:D
    One of the best quotes from turbo;
    Becausse i can't lose, therefore i haven't lost.
    and all thanks to random :)
     
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  12. Jefra

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    @jekhb1976

    I am very glad that this what you play recently works for you all the time and you cannot lose.
    In my opinion this idea was only deeper research here in forum for enetertaining or pissing off VB and RC players :)

    I think that Turbo does not play on this way when he is in casino, but something more logical with hot numbers. BUT what the hell I know ;)
     
  13. jekhb1976

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    hi,
    i don't know what turbo is playing when he does, because i'm not there with him.
    but i told everyone what i play and that it is working for me. today will be my 109 day of playing this and i haven't lost, and i know i won't. don't to brag or anything but as long as roulette is random, i can't lose.
    hell, i even only play with a bank of 1000 units. My aim is to either win 10% of my bank or when i have spend more then 5 hours at the table. i do this on a daily basis, 5 days a week. most of the time i have reached my goal under 3 hours. never had any problems for the last couple of months playing. nor did my bank.
    but i won't explain exactly what i am doin, because it seems that no one on here is willing to put some effort in learning.
    Random can be beaten, because it's random. and because of random, you can't lose.
    but hey, i'm just and english speaking troll from holland :)
    Just do me a favour, go and re read all turbo's posts on the forum, it will open you're eyes, just as it opend mine.
     
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  14. Jefra

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    You play on a live tables with dealers, or airballs ??
     

  15. jekhb1976

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    yes live with dealer or when it's to crowded i will have a seat at the egt.
    but most of the time, i play in the early afternoon, at that point, there aren't many people playing. but at the end of the day, i can play my method at any location bein't it live, rng it really doesn't matter, the outcome remains the same.
    but when i wanna play live, i never use my diamond card, i don't wanna put an alarm bell on my head if you know what i mean. and i have the opportunity to play at 5 different bm casino's in 5 days. i have 8 of them in a 90 mile radius. and not winning enough to attrack attention, these combinations are the best in my oppinion.

    1. Never use a card, just pay entree fee
    2. don't play one casino for more then 2 days in a row.
    3. don't be greedy, set you're goal not to high.
    just play until you have enough to be happy about and leave. there is always another day.
    with my daily €100 i won't attrack everyone's attention. and for me, €100 is a nice pay for 2-5 hours work.
    some will say, i'm crazy that i leave with just €100 but it's still €2000 in a month tax free and i don't have to work beside this anymore, i quit my job 4 months ago, and it was the best decission i did make. now i'm my own boss and can do whatever i want, and earning way more in less time then when i had a boss breathing in my neck :)
     
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  16. jekhb1976

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    no man, it won't stop the war trust me.
    they will find away to attack again and again and again. it doesn't matter what turbo is saying, because nobody is listning. all they can do is attack. If he showed his winnings, they will say that he messed with spindata or that he photoshopped everything. we are lying, no matter what we say, so no use.
     
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  17. AudioMan

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    I have read many post from Turbo in the past and while I get the gist of what he says, I have wasted too much time over the years testing out strategies. jekhb1976, I would like to learn my friend. I want to test it out myself at my $5 minimum local casino.
     
  18. Benas

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    Oh no, problem is that if only to say or show picture- that is really nothing - that is simply words. We, nobody, know who is turbo who is you who is me. We all can tal what we want and really that is what we do :).
    But at least I tried to meet others, tried to contact with say skype and in direct video translation see if a player really can to win.
    I met maybe 7 persons from forums - all they on internet talked that they are winners. When we met I not saw winners :(. With several, I contacted through skype - result - the same I do not saw winers.

    And even this that they lost when are observed is not important - all is possible if they will be able somehow to explain why at all is possible to win.
    But such mind
    is simply absurd.... You say that, but me "Random CAN'T be beaten, because it's random." why you think that you are right - not me ? :)

    I gave a very good example for turbo - wheel have only two boxes but payment is 1.9. How to win ??? And immediately tell what I will do - first I will look which box is wider, maybe that is and I have an advantage. So firstly I look where I can get advantage. You do not look advantage, for you randomness is advantage :)
     
  19. Bago

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    Box 1 - Box 2

    Turbo arrives at midnight:
    Outcomes: 2-1-2-2-2-2-1-2-1-1-2-2-2-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2

    Elvis arrives 30 minutes after Turbo and begins to track:

    Outcomes: 1-1-1-1-1-1-2 (Trigger: Box 2 was unhit and is considered cold! it has to catch up!) 1-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-2-1-1-1-2-1-1-2-1-1-1-1

    Elvis phones his boss and cries to give him back his job to feed his 5 children and wife, while at the same time coming on the forum writing that he again made his daily 100€. :D
     
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  20. jekhb1976

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    you are so funny bago
    Well i'm in a good mood also, so let's play a game, shall we?

    you give me 10 of you're worst 300 spindata.
    so 10x300 spins, not made up ones, but real ones. that according to you it's impossible for me to win my daily goal of €100 with.

    and i will show you the results after i played them, fair?. i can then prove to you that i can win all 10 300 spin sessions. deal?
     

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