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Baccarat Need some advice with this Baccarat System

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sovereign, Jul 21, 2020.

  1. Sovereign

    Sovereign New Member

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    Hi guys. Just wanna ask if u peeps think its worth playing such a "system".

    Tested against 100 shoes. Only play selective hands out of the 1st 36 hands. Its similar to matrix play but not quite so.

    Won: 88 shoes
    Lost 12 shoes

    Drawback is, for every shoe won, its a 3 unit win. For every shoe lost, its a 15 units loss because i employ a 3-step martingale.

    Not too sure if this is worth the while. Any advice?
     
  2. HunterBBQ

    HunterBBQ New Member

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    for easy to understand its or win or loss, then you need to use the math, if you able to keep 3-step marty without going further then all you need is a 87.5% win + 5% banker commission cover up, if your above 88vs12 for its a loss.
    marty 1st step you need 51% to 60% win rate, 2nd step need 76 to 80%, 3rd step need 88% to 90%. 5% banker commission you need to use total win 88-5% = 83.6 units you will earn and 12lost x 1,2,4=7 (12x7=84) mean you are losing 0.04.

    hope this help
     
  3. Sovereign

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    Hi Hunter,

    Im quite confused. I tested it against 100 shoes and not 100 hands. Dont quite get your explanation there. How does your equation add up? Appreciate your further advice.

    Im employing a 4x3 matrix grid. If i win all 3 grids, i will have a profit of 3 units. If i lose the 3 step marty in any grid, i will lose 15 units. Out of the 88 shoes won, its only about 10% of the time i will have to get into the 3rd step marty.
     
  4. HunterBBQ

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    direct to your question 88win x 3 = 264-5% = 250.8 vs 12lose x15= 180 Total = 70.8 in profit.
     
  5. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, Sovereign, A few questions to clear ur query about the system
    1) U tested on either RNG/ live dealer Online / B&M Casino/ Simulations ?
    2) Math in ur System,-- 1st Scenario
    a) 88 shoes won = 88×3 = 264 u
    b) 12 shoes lost = 12× 15= 180 u
    Total profit for 100 shoes = ( 264-180)= 84u
    Excluding Banker Commission
    2nd Scenario
    As stated if u don't go up to 3 step marty u win 10% less shoes I.e 8.8 shoes less = 88-8.8 = 79.2shoes won
    So, Math in 2nd Scenario
    79 shoes won = 79×3 =237u
    21 shoes loss = 21×7(2 step Marty)=147u
    Total profit playing =(237-147)= 90u excluding Commission
    So playing 2nd Scenario seems more profitable
    BTW how many busts u had in a ROW playing 3 step, & 2step Marty This we can plan bankroll required, thanks
     
  6. Sovereign

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    Hi Ravin,

    To answer to your questions:-

    1) All 100 shoes from live casino online.
    2) 10% extra losses in hands if i dont go up to 3rd step marty. Reason being if i lose the 2nd step marty, that will already be a losing hand. Base 1unit + 1st step marty 2units + 2nd step marty 4units = 7 units loss.

    I set my stop loss at 3rd step marty. Because im using a 4x3 grid, it makes no sense if i lose the 1st grid and win the other 2 grids. Each grid won is only 1unit.

    3 step marty loss: 12 hands
    2 step marty loss (assuming i set my stop loss here): 12 hands out of the 88 won.

    So putting into assumption if 2 step marty at stop loss:-

    Loss: 24 hands @ 7 units per hand
    Win: 76 hands @ 3 units per hand

    The question is, should i be looking at a higher % of winning hands or a tighter stop loss?

    For 3 step marty, it takes another 5 winning shoes to recoup. For 2 step marty, that will be 2.5 shoes. But i will be placing myself in a position where i have higher chances of engaging in a losing hand.

    Is there any other progressions that can work well with grid play? I have tried positive progressions but to no avail.
     
  7. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Talk to that guy that wrote all those books cupboard or something this forum the one that’s always arguing with that other guy , giztron ..from what I gather they are the only ones on the planet that know anything about everything and everyone so I would pm them. Cheers
     
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  8. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Piunkcity,

    Those 2 cats know all the answers The forums could not exist without them .


    They have all the answers and if they don't they invent them as the truth .


    How lucky can we get,
     
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  9. fathead

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    What I usually do is flat bet the same hands and figure the win percentage. If you are winning at normal percentages (50%, give or take) then you cannot win and the martingale will not help. If you are winning at higher than normal percentages (51%- 55%) then test on a larger sample to confirm. 100 shoes is a very small test, especially if you are not betting every hand.
     
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  10. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Here are 1200 Live shoes you can use for testing.
     

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  11. Punkcity

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    LMAO epic , I am very fortunate ,what a planet , nice.
    LMAO
     
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  12. Sovereign

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    Thanks!
     
  13. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, Now u have got over 1000shoes for testing, Kindly do so, & if it holds good ( has an edge) & Wins/ losses IAR, max drawdown then only we can chalk down, betting strategy/ progressions because 100 shoes are very less for testing to arrive at any conclusion, kindly keep updated
     
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    The art of laziness out source the out source.
     

  15. Ezmark

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    The ultimate challenge with any bet sequence is to over come the bias or the EV that's built into a 50-50 game... this is why guessing or triggers or most money management choices will not work in the long term... because the process is still the same , its betting on a one or two or three or four etc. In a row... I've watched players flip a quarter on the table and place a bet h's or t's and this worked great in the short-term... I've watched a player walk around the tables see a trigger and place a bet and lose every bet... I would be expecting some of the more experienced players to discuss the 50% 25% 12.50% 6.25%...excetera ... nature of the game while explaining why a Marty or most other mm system or pattern selection betting normally will not work... And yes they are other Baccarat websites, Baccarat talk about trends this and that , and players testimonials and they talk a good talk and they are excellent $ Marketers and are there for purely $ entertainment purposes and people will watch... I wish I had thought of that.
     
  16. Zhang Wei

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    You have average 0.84 units per shoe. Any system with positive average is worth playing.

    What is matrix play??
     

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