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Baccarat Neural Strategy

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Jul 29, 2019.

  1. RailBird

    RailBird New Member

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    Staying with the Neural Strategy thread, is there a consensus as to weather this


    I don't think you are steeping on anyone's toes, Giz. The Neural System applies to any game of chance offering a 50%--50% chance of winning or as close as you can get to a 50-50. (Even Money Bets) The games referenced by Stlverthorne's Neural System are Baccarat, Craps and Roulette, the best being played in that order. However, you seem to be only addressing a single aspect of the System, being that of Bet Placement Selection only. (NBS) However, there are two other aspects recommended. That being increasing or decreasing the wager size depending on results (NOB) and increasing size of the wager during winning streaks. (CPB). You have also never addressed using a Target Win Stop for each game or series. There are also recommendations referencing conservative or more aggressive play.



    Not being a programmer guru, I can only imagine the enormous effort required to program such a method.



    You do understand that Stlverthorne designed two versions of The Neural System. However, he now claims he only developed the original version. The original system used a $300.00 bank and the second version used a $200.00 bank. Also, #1 had eight wagering levels and #2 had only seven. Each system also has internal differences.



    I am going to limit any further discussion I may post to version #2.



    At this point, I am not recommending or rejecting this method of play. Only inviting reasonable discussion. I find many posters refer to wagering a Baccarat Shoe or size of the Baccarat deck. Stlverthorne has no mention of this.

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  2. RailBird

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    I want to follow up on my post. When posters refer to a Baccarat Shoe, are they saying they are betting for the banker to win or something else? Maybe a player wagers Banker for a full shoe? I am not familiar with all the acronyms used by posters
     
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    Baccarat decisions may seem very complicated but there are only 3 possible results. Banker wins. Player wins or it’s a tie.
    If the decision is a tie , you hold on to your money. There can be a lot of showmanship on display from both players and dealers. That part is all BS. It’s no different to selecting Red or Black in Roulette. YOU select the decision you think will come out. The shoe is simply the box that the cards are kept in before the dealer brings them out.

    I have played baccarat for over twenty years and I only have a limited knowledge of the drawing rules. That’s the dealers job. Only very occasionally do they get it wrong. There is generally a player who will spot it and ask for a review.
     
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    Do you have much experience playing Baccarat machines?
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  5. gizmotron

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    You have gotten the wrong impression of the Reading Randomness method. I advocate attacking with higher level bets during win streak phases, and lower level bets during loss phases. Also the RR thread talks all about using a win stop and loss stop point. I even advocate for playing Roulette like a stock trader does and show a link to a video how a guy does that.
     
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    Why do you feel the need to rudely interject and troll a baccarats thread with yer readings random bulls-shits? Nobody in this thread even made mention of yer foolishness so I hope that the admin will put a stop to yer nuts-jobbery, hey hey!!!!
     
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    Sigh, once again a cat what is utterly clues-less about the baccarats! The red/black at roulettes is the pure 50-50 proposition. But the banker-players at the baccarats is much closer to the 51-49 proposition, hey hey!!!!
     

  8. Zhang Wei

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    I'm sorry. I did not see anybody mention Reading Randomness in their post.
     
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    I disagree about the numbers that you used. The actual ones are lower than that.
    But other than that you are generally correct.
    Baccarat have better odds than Roulette.
    Ties push your player/banker bets.
    The house wins your even money bets when zeroes occur.
     
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    Actually, my numbers are pretty much correct. Red-black at roulettes is the pure 50-50 proposition in islolation discounting the zero. Bankers-players at baccarat is right around 50.8-49.2 proposition so basically 51-49 rounded up in favor of bankers, hey hey.
     
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    That's the problem. You can pretend to discount the zero, but you will still lose the EC bets when zero comes up.
     
  12. soxfan

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    Of course, that's why shrewd cats should not play roulettes, because you lose yer cake if the zero pop but at baccarats you don't lose yer cake on the tie outs-come. But my point stands that red=black in isolation is the pure coins-flip 50-50 proposition. But at baccarats the b-p outs-come is a proposition what favor the bankers just about 51-49% and thats why cats should only ever wager on bankers, simple and plain, hey hey.
     
  13. gizmotron

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    I was quoted just before I decided to respond to it. Perhaps you failed to notice this. That makes you the rude troll. I'm quoted at message number #61. Do you have me on ignore?

    There's this comment: "I don't think you are steeping on anyone's toes, Giz." You can go jump in a lake Hey Hey...
     
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    This is what I was pointing out. This is a misrepresentation of what the Reading Randomness thread states. There is no point in letting this perception stand as a fact. I have every right to discuss Reading Randomness when it is clearly misrepresented.
     

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    He did as I have clearly pointed out. He just never used the words. He mentioned his perception of the methods in Reading Randomness.
     
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    So if you are done playing the discussion police why not move on to productive discourse? I was dragged into this by being quoted in the first place. Then my position was misrepresented. I don't see the relevance of bringing me in by the poster. I'll have to look at why a reference to the not primes is suggested from previous pages.
     
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    So I went back several pages and found that I worked extensively on the topic of this thread. I did the work. It had nothing to do with Reading Randomness. You guys did nothing. Some confirmed that I was working on this and testing it. Now you are a bunch of control freaks. Go back. Look it up. I even tested it with software.
     
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    Giz, after trying to analyze or decipher your post of pretty much gibberish from post #52. I only say gibberish because you give no explanation of your effort for anyone to understand what you are talking about.

    Regardless, I applied your second column of Black and Red to numerous spins of Roulette and produced relatively good results.

    Whether this is good or bad, I will let the reader decide for themselves.

    There was obliviously not enough play to establish anything positive or negative for the player. However, if playing a machine (via internet) there is definitely enough data for computer algorithms to establish a profile of the player.

    If you don't believe the accusation, just get the base amount up a few $ and watch your bankroll disappear. Don't be naive enough to believe they are legitimate just because these sights claim they are regulated. All it takes is a few bucks to grease some politician or Great Hunting Bear on some Tribal Commission. As far as the offshore pal, you're on your own.
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    Why don't you make yerself useful for once and tell us how, wager by wager you manage to flush the lung-yeh cake down yer random readings toilet, hey hey!!!!
     
  20. gizmotron

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    I agree completely with what you just say. Now your gibberish has just enough information in it to imply that I believe in online safe gambling. I don't. As a computer programer that started out with online streaming with a plug-in called Shockwave I know that it is possible to stich live video together after selecting fragments of video together and feed it to individuals as they think they are seeing a live feed. The only way to know is to have live tables that people can track the actual outcomes and to validate the actual stream of outcomes. I have known about this for more than a decade. I have written all about this stuff in my thread here in the Roulette Section called Reading Randomness.

    I don't expect people to know what I have written about gambling and randomness since 2006. But I do expect people to give hints as to just how much they know about things like online cheating. There's online casinos that steal your money or hold it hostage forever. There's casinos that use algorithms to cheat target your methods. I gamble in B&M casinos only. Theye only cheat you if they have magnets embedded in the wheel.
    I don't expect people to know what I have written about gambling and randomness since 2006. But I do expect people to give hints as to just how much they know about things like online cheating. There's online casinos that steal your money or hold it hostage forever. There's casinos that use algorithms to cheat target your methods.
    play don't do that.

    You don't need to attack me in order to discuss this topic. Just ask what you don't understand and I will explain it. It all comes down to relating to things and context. We have all the time in the world. If it is gibberish then ask what I mean. I have the time. I will explain it. Just quote the part and ask.
     
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