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Craps Odds question

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by Collin, Feb 15, 2018.

  1. Collin

    Collin New Member

    Feb 15, 2018
    San diego
    Hello everyone. I have a quick question. Is it against the rules at any Vegas casino to play both the pass and don't pass lines evenly. Then once a point is established play max odds on both? I understand playing the pass and don't pass at the same time is a bit counter productive due to the only movement would be a loss on 12. But once again I am asking if you can then play even odds on both lines at the same time. Thank you for your time
  2. Alan Shank

    Alan Shank Member Founding Member

    Dec 31, 2014
    retired software engineer
    Woodland, CA
    The "doey-don't" I remember seeing touted was an equal flat bet on pass and don't pass, with the object of making an odds bet on one side OR the other. The idea was to get a "free" odds bet, i.e. the flat bets offset and you get to make an odds bet "for free". Of course, it is not free at all, since you are paying 1.4% on BOTH bets, essentially doubling your expected loss. I don't see the point of betting odds on both sides, since they would also offset each other, leaving the only non-push the 12 on the comeout.

    What are you trying to accomplish? As far as I know, it's not against any rules.
    Alan Shank
  3. varmenti

    varmenti Member

    Feb 17, 2018
    Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada
    I see this at the craps tables all the time where they place identical wagers on both Pass/Don't pass (One pays the other unless a twelve comes)
    then they play the odds behind only one of them depending on the point number. Example: 4 or 10 I see most putting the odds behind the Don't

    I also notice a few others playing the Come/Don't come again placing odds mostly on the Come to number. It's not a bad idea but I don't think anyone will possibly make a living with this kind of betting.
  4. Tinhorn Gambler

    Tinhorn Gambler Member Lineage to Founders

    Mar 4, 2015
    Sin City, Nevada

    To answer your question ….YES.

    The Pass & Don’t pass (DO & DON’T) simultaneous play is normally accepted in most Las Vegas casinos as well as the odds.

    Although I have heard that one local Las Vegas casino required one side of the bet to be higher.

    The equal amounts scenario you describe is frowned upon by many casinos. It has no winning possibilities for the player. And pushing chips back and forth for the casino could wear your welcome out … and you could be asked to take your action elsewhere.

    And as far as ratings for comps. I would say it would be zero because of the risk factor.

    Since only the initial line bets would be in jeopardy and not the odds wagers. The casino edge is only gained when a 12 is rolled.

    Logically this action has no value for the player.

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