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Baccarat Once again, trend and anti-trend

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Garfield, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. Ordinary_people

    Ordinary_people Active Member

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    If you dont pay attention the scoreboard, how do you have 1 bet selection ?

    Can you explained more detail ?

    Thanks
     
  2. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I always chose B. If it shows that is my bet. for the series. If a loss I wait until it shows again Is it wins I am on my series betting method until the first loss .


    That is about the general idea of it . Go for the winning 2 out of 3 sessions for 5 casino visits.






    ND
     
  3. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    All you need is your own score card for your own purpose to see how you are standing.
     
  4. Blacksmith

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    Strong trend on UK lottry bonus ball .Seven low number for bonus ball.

    Kind regards
    B
     
  5. Ordinary_people

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    Not understand why need own score card when you just always bet Banker.

    I know you dont play every hand. Can you give more detail like example shoe, nathan ?

    Thanks before
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    O- P,

    As long as B repeats I am keeping up the betting series until the first los . Then wait until B shows up again .

    Always observing the Loss limit signal and the 3 consecutive losses in a row

    If that happens I am taking a break and return later for another session .


    Win goal but not win limit is based upon a percentage of the session bankroll meaning if the win goal has been reached I continue betting until the first loss.


    Suggested win goals based on session bankroll

    20 % attainable

    10 % Intelligent

    5 % Super intelligent .



    Play at your own risk.
     
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  7. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Loss Limit for the session is at 25% of Bankroll.
     
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  8. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Some Casinos are no baccarat factories therefore no scoreboards .Simple as that and where I saw them nobody paid attention to them either .
     
  9. Punkcity

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    Have been away for awhile, watching the 4 season of 12 monkeys tv series, now that a chimpanzee program for you.
    I think Nathan is trying to say is he’s found something that works for him, it’s not fancy with exotic names to dress up an old tart. It’s baccarat and he’s using a rule base selection criteria plus m m that suits him. Yes he loses sometimes but he also wins hence 34yrears posted .
    You need to find what works for you , there is no holy grail per say, other than WHAT YOU can make work for YOU USING rules that WORK for YOU.
    Sure take hints , snippets of advice from various posters on these forums but it’s useless to the individual if all you are doing is jumping from one posters supposed holy grail to the next. A number of you all ask the same questions from different posters AND you don’t improve on your situation. Meaning you jump from one lane to the next and go nowhere. Many are just theoretical junkies and are in it for the thrill of the chase of the holy grails. That’s ok and fine. Each to their own. I’ve meet many seminar junkies over the years looking for the NEXT exotic catch phrase that will take them to enlightenment ( insert topic of enlightenment here , religion, psychology, gambling etc) it doesn’t get them there in the long run. They are still nice people.
    You can make your holy grail as complicated and convoluted as you choose, but really, as many have stated it’s not rocket science . It’s follow the last or opposite the last decision and that’s it , yes you can put whatever rules or qualifiers as you choose plus m m and call it system C the holy grail, and it is ... IF it WORKS for you.
    Sometimes some people enjoy the pursuit of the theory and will never put anything into action that’s ok , just realise it and enjoy the experience. Some people will gamble as a degen because they just want to gamble ( as I’ve previously posted elsewhere here ) that’s ok also as the casinos need their money. No amount of cajoling will help that majority long term.
    If you play baccarat for a living as I do you find what works for you , I have , yes you have to be Disciplined and Methodical in whatever you choose to play. Most posters here will blame an external reason for the failure of the session but usually it’s because they are not really ideally suited for this type of work or at least not at the level they see others play at. Imho only.
    Some people need to find their own grail at the level that suits them , be they recreational player that go once a month or year etc. That level is fine.
    I’m a daily player as stated, I don’t usually use the comps and freebies from the casino as I have posted previously, that’s important to some player but not me as ( to me in my opinion ) that is a poor substitute for a winning method . I fly somewhere I can pay my way. My interest is to profit in my baccarat play to live a excellent level of living. It can be done . YOU can do this as it’s not rocket science. Cheers
     
  10. Garfield

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    One once said "Better to train one method for thousand time then thousands method once..."
     
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  11. Punkcity

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    Imho that’s a yes and no , there comes a time that the training is the aim and eventually become the sole focus, hence we get system simulation junkies. That’s fine if that’s their choice, The flip side is no testing at all either sim or real play and in my limited opinion each is as dangerous in the wrong hands as the other.
    I did read a post by you concerning RNG,and you seem to disfavour it, care to elaborate?
    I have posted previously on the topic of RNG and it’s gamblers fallacy implications, would be happy to discuss this with you. That’s if your not busy with Jon, Arlene or lasagna, Cheers
     
  12. Garfield

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    Punkcity: Maybe the usage of "train-ing" isn't suitable...perhaps sharpen one method is more appropriate....

    I mean to discover the weakness of your fit-to-style method and overcome it..and maximize the benefit rather than keep on searching for a new one...

    About RNG, maybe I'm just too narrow-minded....imho it's not representing the real play.....

    Sure I love to discuss to learn something new... tell me what's on your mind...
     
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  13. Punkcity

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    Sharpen or hone total agreement, just have to watch that one don’t over sharpen as that dulls the blade also then you have to resharpen a supposedly sharp blade. Gotta know when to take a break .
    Re the RNG thingie I have found many have an aversion to any RNG generated game be it roulette or baccarat. Many suspect the results are rigged as one seems to lose more often, especially at at higher denominations.

    In some respects I’m inclined to actually help propagate the imho unjustified urban myth of the gambler fallacy that RNG is rigged. If I don’t inform, then more screens are available to me at anyone time at the casino I frequent , but as this is the interverse and no skippies really read this forum we will chat on the subject. I will get back to you shortly to continue, I have a little one to pick up from school sports , so duty calls. Cheers
     
  14. Punkcity

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    This is a self quoted post from my stadium 2019 thread, page 10, post number 185, I don’t wish to be hypocritical as I have previously posted but I hate re typing etc. I have also posted similar posts on the fallacy thread but am unable to locate at the moment. The above post pretty much stated are my thoughts on the subject and I have physically played close to a 1/4 million RNG hands at the casino stadium. I have also witnessed/ paper trade / no bet another approximately 100 thousand or so hands , it’s a 20 second table no problem. Over the space of 5 years, as posted previously it’s my day job. Etc.

    Due to COVID-19 I have been playing RNG online at a free poker site It has six decks as opposed to my preferred stadium B&M casino infinity RNG , initially a few years ago I would also claim that online site is rigged and now of late have found it to be equally fair.
    The initial struggle imho with player ( my Previous attitude included ) attempt to play RNG infinity was the INABILITY of the players release of the ego. At the moment the trend is to blame the monkey / chimp. But in actual fact the emotion is ego and it’s inability to accept the fact that it / you can be wrong in the decision you made re bank or player on RNG. The subtle difference is that the ego WANTS the outcome to be x or y rather than accepting the result as it was. Then you continue to bet via the ego rather than the method you employ. In the process we look to blame something on the exterior call it the chimp or the RNG is rigged, when in actuality you are just not selecting correctly .
    If you read the above quoted post you will see what I mean about two different bet sizes on same RNG game and the out come .
    My personal opinion I prefer the infinity RNG stadium baccarat at 20 seconds, I win and win well consistently, when it goes pear shape, I am an advocate of taking a break, not of a few hours but about 15-20 minutes as that’s roughly 60 odd hands played. Without the ego emotionally based betting but using the appropriate method the RNG Game has no memory of you winning or losing . Only the person does but that should not matter as you are a professional, this is your job . If it’s a hobby then mostly the ego is involved and imho that’s the reason most say the RNG is rigged, it has to be , right? I mean the punter is always right in the punters opinion so the game must be rigged,Right? Infallible ego. Ergo the RNG is rigged
    I have posted previously the question as to how someone was absolutely sure it was supposed to be a banker results after a tie yet it becomes a player result, the blame was on the tie . We both bet on the same shoe that person banker me player he lost I won. The result was the result, yet one of us chose to blame something for the loss , luck ? Doesn’t come into it in my humble opinion. RNG rigged , once again my humble opinion no not rigged , just the person and the person’s method needs attention.

    By the way not accusing you of being a hobby player or your ego motivation player but I’m using the word you generically.
    This is only an opinion that works for me, I do understand how others have a different opinion and that’s fine by me as previously posted it takes all kinds and there is no definitive right or wrong but what works for you the individual. Cheers
     

  15. Garfield

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    Punkcity: Your thought is noted... I never played RNG in any form so won't be able to comment much....

    It's just I'm not kind to test this and that.. I prefer to play it....

    Whether gambling is hobby or not, the bottom line is the money.... do what you like for living?
     
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    As the following site and quoted text reveals it isn't so easy to produce random numbers. So one could surmise that live hand held games probably not a good source to create random numbers AND the RNG games probably not as sophisticated as the study quoted here.

    Even if the "spins" are not random we still have the problem of prediction.

    https://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1418.html

    "Production from the original machine showed statistically significant biases, and the engineers had to make several modifications and refinements of the circuits before production of apparently satisfactory numbers was achieved. The basic table of a million digits was then produced during May and June of 1947. This table was subjected to fairly exhaustive tests and it was found that it still contained small but statistically significant biases. For example, the following table[1] shows the results of three tests (described later) on two blocks of 125,000 digits." (Bold text mine.)

    J
     
  17. Punkcity

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    Yes it’s always the money and I’m amazed how people say they play , lose and it’s fun. B&d , a touch of sado perhaps. Personally I play to win and wouldn’t play if I was continually losing money.
    If you have an opportunity to play RNG and you lose ,heaven forbid , the point I was making is that the program is not rigged not in the 100 spins, deals you would play , and I would call it a losing session and move on. Speaking professionally that is. Cheers
     
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    Oh I never thought RNG is rigged LoL.... To say so it's like telling you're being targeted by Casino and they had to cheat on you to make you lose... That's silly....

    But I'm amazed some still think that way...
     
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    I’m aware there is no true RNG per say and that is the reason why you don’t have total security when using RNG to generation of security numbers for bank accounts etc. the hackers are aware of that , the programmers are aware of that as you point out and that has lead to endless years of companies searching for the holy grail ( lol no pun intended it just happened) of security RNG in its truest form, as opposed to the mistaken assumption of the masses meaning of RNG . I’m not looking at the semantics of RNG in the previous post in regards to RNG , example you say to mar to and I say toe mate oh , in the post I’m referring to baccarat 20 seconds not nearly enough time for me to run a program to find the biases based on the 80 or so previous results on the screen. I have the sleeves rolled up and I’m elbows deep in real money play. The method I employ is more than adequate to generate a profitable return for my flat bet RNG based business
    As far as stats go more people die by bus accident than plane crashes but most manage to negotiate their lives around that fact and still use a bus service. ergo the minute bias don’t equal rigged IMHO as played on stadium baccarat by ME . Yes acknowledge that I am a small sample size but the qualifier is IMHO.
    As I previously state there is no real right or wrong but what works for you, shoot Now this post feels all substancey , dam back to the drawing board. Lol.
    I must say Jim , at least you don’t have the messiah complex, that’s never crept into your posts that I’ve read here this year and I do enjoy your posts even if I heap the scorn , nothing personal from one random to another random on this interverse, cheers.
     
  20. Punkcity

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    Yes and you will be amazed at how many people believe the casino is targeting them from number plate recognition, to facial recognition to the use of player cards , I’ve had that said to me during play on live table dealer baccarat lol. As if they knew you play that table at time and exactly that hand number 42 lmao.
    They are out there. Cheers
     

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