Baccarat Oscar's grind + baccarat

Well, I can calculate ROG (Reverse OG) and extract commissions from the same situation and look at the end number to end this discussion about ROG.

Or why not to increase all the time haha ... just go 1 2 3 4 5 6 whenever happens hehe

 

Go for it. On those 200 shoes you played, run a reverse oscars grind with a 500,000 unit goal. According to your results you’ll clear more than $400,000 with less than a 1,000 unit bankroll.

 

Cool and thanks once again..
Couple more qns pls.

1. Assuming you get into a really crappy streak. And hit table max bet and cant go any higher. Take the loss then? Or move on to a higher value table to complete the series?

2. Would you recommend calling it a day on a long grind and resume the grind on another day?

Cheers hams

 

Using OG, you’d probably run out of bankroll before hitting the table max. We play with $100 units on a table with a $15,000 max, so my bet would have to be 150 units before hitting the table max. But to fully answer your question, if I were to hit the table max, I work with a team, so a second player would start making the additional bets we’d need.

I never stop in the middle of a grind, I always complete the series. If I were to be stopped in the middle of a grind, say the casino lost electric and their backup generators failed, or they closed that table, or some other scenario came up to where I wasn’t permitted to finish a series, I would not resume it another day or on another table or game. I’d call it a loss.

 

Well, FYI Jae, you will get -44.000 !!! Total bets 21mil units! -5% which is more than 0,5 mil! and end result -44,000!
Only a little 5% commission in 200 shoes will eat you 546,000 units!

 

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I don’t think you quite got the grasp of the reverse Oscar’s grind.

you said this earlier:

“So final answer is that if you go on Player you are in huge minus -502013u with highest bet of 4563 unit but during this play you will make 506 units only!”

A reverse grind would mean that betting on bank the amount you are suppose to bet on players if you were running an OG on the player side in a grind means you would have been up at one point +502,013 units. Since player only won 506 units, then I was safe to say I’ll start with a 1,000 unit bankroll with a goal of 500,000 units.

I didn’t actually really need you to test anything because you’ve already told me the outcome the first time. But these new. Numbers you gave me... I could never be -44,000 units you see with reverse OG, you bet 1 unit on bank, if it loses, then the series is over. Because remember, that would be a +1 had you been betting player. This is a reverse grind therefor the series starts over every time you lose a unit. The reason I could never be -44,000 in 200 shoes is because, first, we’ll assume each shoe is 100 hands. Now we’ll assume that every shoe I lose every hand, which really would mean that 200 shoes had 100
Players in a row. I can only lose 1 unit in a series. Therefor, 200x100=20,000. That’s the most I could be down.

Example of reverse grind.

B
B
P
B
B

I would be up +5

Because I’m betting 1 unit on bank
When I win it stays the same.
When player hits, now I bet 2 units on bank. And I’ll continue upwards like that until player recovers. If it recovers I will lose 1 unit. If player goes -500,000 then I’ve hit my goal in this scenario.

 

Dude raised $6,000 in the casino in five minutes.

 

When you lose on Player you are increasing and loosing again, math doesn't lie

P -1
P -2
p -3
B +3.8
P -4
P -5
P -6

Total: -21+3.8

 

Maria, this is baccarat forum!

 

That’s a normal OG.

reverse OG would look like this

P -1
P -1
P -1
B +1
P -0
P -1
P -1

Total -5 units, or 5.05 if you are counting commission.

I probably just didn’t explain it well, or well enough for you to understand.

in your simulation when you were down more than -500,000 units betting on player. Imagine me betting the same exact amount as you, but I’m betting it on banker. You’ll be down more than 500,000 units. I’ll be up 500,000 units.

that’s the reverse grind. Setting a goal, which in this crazy example is 500,000. You play the grind very similarly to how you would now, except your placing the bet the grind calls for on the other side.

 

Look, i need to press just one button and i Get your 500,000 units if no Commission. If you do P-1 p-1 thats is not reverse! because we increase on player when win (so reverse we lose on player and must to increase)

 

I don't think you fully understand OG in forward much less reverse. Or at least your input to your 'button' doesn't.

 

You only increase if you’re in a grind. In that example you gave me, there was no grind. I was losing a single unit each time. Had there been a string of bankers in there and then a player, my bet would have gone up.

 

I am very good at math and if you are speaking about Reverse OG on Player means normal OG is:
B-1
B-1
B-1
B-1
B-1
B-1
B-1
P+1 here is -7 +1 = 6
P+2
P+3

Reverse OG the same option:

B +0.95
B +0.95
B +0.95
B +0.95
B +0.95
B +0.95
B +0.95
P -1
P -2
P -3

I do not think I am wrong on this.

But if you are speaking about OG on Banker, so it is just the same way as you already doing, so answer is profit 1900 in 200shoes!

 

I think what they are trying to say is that for the reverse OG you dont add a unit when you lose brother. Maybe...

 

I know there’s some confusion on what I call the reverse Oscar’s grind. I’ll try and explain it again with a post I have a draft for about it:


If you fully understand how OG works, then figuring this out shouldn’t be too difficult. Essentially, when you play OG you are risking a bankroll of... we’ll say 2,000 units to win 1 unit. In the reverse grind, you are doing the opposite, risking 1 unit to make... we’ll say 2,000 units.


How it works: whatever side you bet on (I recommend banker), you start by betting 1 unit. If it loses, that’s the end of the series. You are down 1 unit and can start all over again to hit your goal. I don’t actually recommend a goal of 2,000 units. Maybe 10, 20, or even 100.


I joke about this system quite often. Especially when I’m playing OG and I’m in a deep drawdown of several hundred units, I’ll think to myself, “sure would have been nice to be in a reverse grind on the other side.”


I’ve never tested this system aside from going through a few dozen old shoes, I’ve played it with very small units a handful of times in the past, but aside from that, I have no opinion or solid advice on how I’d play it if I ever were to try and make it a serious contender.


Bringing it up on the forum has got my wheels spinning a bit. Especially when a player said he tested 200 shoes with Oscar’s grind and the player side went negative over 500,000 with the highest bet being less than 5,000. Seeing this happen in real play in 200 shoes would sort of be like winning the lottery. I love the idea of being able to turn a single unit into 500,000 units. But realistically I think a small goal with good money management could make this a worthy system if anyone wants to test it out.


If it wins, you continue betting 1 unit until it loses, upon losing, you would increase your bet by 1 unit (unless the next bet would cost you more than your initial 1 unit bet) ex: you are up 17 units and betting 10. You lose this bet, you do not go up to 11 units at this point. Because now you are only up 7, so the next bet would be 8, that way if you lose, you only lose 1 unit for the series.

I hope this clarifies it better.

 

Yes, in your testing. If you bet on banker using OG, then you would have made 1,900 units.

If you would have bet on banker using Reverse OG, you would have made over 500,000 units if that was your goal.

 

Jae, on your reverse OG example, being up 17, it cannot be a sudden jump to a bet of 10 could it?

Say win/loss etc giving one a +17. He then loses, 1,2,3,4 for a total of -10 giving a net of +7. He then bets 5. If he loses, net is +2. His next bet would then be 3?

 

Maybe I’ll do a video sometime to make a good example. I’m probably not very good at clarifying through text sometimes.

the fastest way I can explain it is this:

when your secretary lost $1,000, I’m assuming she got into a big grind that wiped out your bankroll. I don’t know what the numbers were, but I think you said 200 units, so say the grind was -167 or -200. You lost OG.

had you been betting on the other side, in this case, on player, that negative grind would have been a positive grind for you. It would have started with 1 unit and built itself all the way up to -200.

I mean, I don’t recommend betting on player and doing the reverse OG, but in the scenario that your secretary went through, it would have worked. I think you mentioned that she was making about 10 units a shoe for a few shoes before she got wiped out. Performing a reverse grind, you would have lost about 10 units a shoe up until the point that it got pretty deep.

hope that helps. Again. Probably shouldn’t try this method.