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Baccarat Oscar's grind + baccarat

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by BeJustRich, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. BeJustRich

    BeJustRich Active Member

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    In the end 5% eats all your profit, period!
     
  2. Jae

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    If it is, then you're doing something wrong. At the end of the day, commissions shouldn't eat up more than 30% of your profit. It usually sits around 20% for me on average, but I'm also not betting every had, so my number is going to tend to be lower.
     
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    Hey Jae. Did you ever try any other bet selection method other than Banker or did just start with Banker bets and decided to stay there?

    Steven
     
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    Nearly everything I test, I test on player as well—mostly because if whatever I’m testing works on player, then I know it’ll work REALLY well on banker.

    as far as betting on player, I have one glorious story about doing so.

    about 15 years ago at my then local land based casino, I was invited to a free roll baccarat tournament. I had never played a bacc tournament, but consider myself decent at blackjack tournies.

    I pretty much knew the majority of the players and their betting styles, and the same could easily be said about me. They knew I always bet banker.

    I made my way to the second table with relative ease. But I was pretty sure I was gonna get wiped out because I was in 4th place on that table. Everyone had their bets laid out on banker, and as I was about to place my own bet I was calculating how much I would need to remain in 4th or advance to third and instead I made a minimum bet on player. This quickly caused a huge commotion in Vietnamese. As they were balking at one another in words I couldn’t understand they all slowly started pulling their bets down and moving them to player. It was with no doubt that they did this because they knew my style and they figured I knew something that I absolutely didn’t know at the time. So I was the low man on the player side and hoping like hell that my player decision wasn’t correct. And low and behold, it wasn’t. Banker won and it moved me into second place. I died of laughter on the inside. This edge helped me advance to the final table where I placed third and actually took home free money. I don’t remember what the amount was, something small like a couple hundred I’m sure. I think first place won $1,000.

    I don’t know the basic strategy to playing bacc tournaments. If I were to ever play one again, I would probably make more player bets as I am not battling the casino, but individual players. The reason for me placing third in the tournament wasn’t because I didn’t play player. I probably should have more than I did. This is totally different from regular baccarat as a tournament is very short term and we all know that player can win more in the short term.

    the only other player bets I’ve ever made if you want to consider them player bets is on the bonus bets. I used to count the dragon, and also the dragon 7 and panda when applicable. That’s the only advantage play I’ve ever performed in baccarat and we actually have an app in development that will help counters that hopefully we’ll release early next year.
     
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  5. Lungyeh

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    You dont bet every hand Jae? So what are the bets you dont make?
     
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    What an idiotic statement to make, hey hey.
     
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    Some adjectives can be less aggressive. Time to switch cashew to Macadamia or Brazil nuts. Mark & Spenser sells these really nice chocolate coated Brazil Nuts for @£1.50 per packet. Really nice.
     

  8. BeJustRich

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    Prove that I am wrong, 200 shoe results are in this topic if you scroll back. Negative -44,000 and u can not get other number reverse OG
     
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    I am out of this topic because you guys not invested even a little effort to see the math behind.
    Prove mathematically and write me sorry.
     
  10. Jae

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    I haven’t checked your results. I am going off of what you said, you said that player went deeper than -500,000 units. The exact number you came up with is the exact number you’d see in the positive with a reverse grind betting on banker. Minus the commission. And even if you end up paying 20% to get to that number, you should still clear at least 400,000 units.

    I understand your frustration. I think you haven’t quite grasped the concept of the reverse grind, even though I’ve explained it a few times, I understand if my explanation isn’t the best. I decided I’m going to make some videos about Oscar’s grind and upload them here, I may cover the reverse grind in the near future.
     
  11. Andrew

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    Hi Jae
    Thanks for posting your way of playing,I’ve done some testing and I’m really keen to give this a try live. The problem is the stadium play at my local casino here only has what they call “no commission baccarat” so no 5% commission BUT when banker wins on 6 it only pays half price. So that leaves me to live table play only which is ok but the minimum is $100 and bets of $100 increments only. I’m not at the stage of having a 2000 unit bankroll. I was thinking I waited for -50 or even -100 before starting would a 500 unit bankroll be enough? Can you share some experience about what you did in the early days while you were building your bankroll to higher units. You mentioned something about the randomness video that TG posted, I’ve also looked at this and tried to apply it to baccarat. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Skip , you actually don’t have that much of a problem with the half price banker. From experience the only time that it really hurts is when you’re on the the grand martingale, example you just put out $6400 , you win ..... but your still .... $3200!.... down the shitta, that’s speaking from experience. Lol

    When I used to ladder bet progressive one unit up on a loss but I’m say betting 20 units and get a half price return of 10 units , my next bet instead of being 19 units as an example I would re bet at 20 unit to capture the second win (hopefully).

    Im sure you will agree that most shoes will not produce a shit load of half price bank results, the most I have encountered is three in a row, sometimes two in a row, never 4 in a row ( yet lol) . I play for hours and sometimes never see a half price all day , then net day one or two every shoe.

    Heres something to think about

    If you have 100 results of banker $100 bets paying $95 returns that means you gave up $500 in commission. Correct?
    Now you and I play half price, we bet 100 bankers at a $100 each and get 4 x 1/2 bank payouts of $50 each = $200 ... leaves us $300 better off.

    Many posters here belittle the half price bank payouts, me I prefer them. As per example quoted above.

    As far as OG goes if you get a win on 1/2 price stay at the same unit value on the next bet. If you do the testing using a 1/2 price resulted shoe/shoes then use the same results and deduct the 5% commission from each bank win ,( I’m assuming your only betting banker bets) you will get a good answer. Cheers and good luck at the treasure house.
     
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    In other words 1/2 price hurts negative progression betting , little to no impact on flat or positive progression bets.
     
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    I’ve never played the 1/2 price six game, but in familiar with it. When I started out, I was playing EZ bac live tables, where it’s a push on a 3 card 7 win. If I were to win on a 3 card 7 in a grind, I went ahead and treated it like a win and made no alterations to OG. It obviously sucks if you are in a big grind and have a decent sized bet out there. But in the end you have to treat it the same way you treat commission. Accept it. My randomness bet trigger is a very long winded post, so I may post more about it in the future when I have a good deal of time to try and write it in a way that people can understand and also inspire those to adapt or it or modify.

    as far as a $500 bankroll. This is tricky. I know it can work. By going off of the last 2700 units we’ve made, we have gone deeper than 500 three times. So had I been using a 500 unit bankroll, we would have made about 1,640 units. In one of those examples, banker when -522 before completely recovering, in that situation, you could eliminate that 500 unit loss if your trigger was -100

    Another series went -642 and the third went -699.

    you would have needed a bankroll of a little more than 780 to survive that, or 680 if your trigger was -100.

    If your goal was to win 100 units a day starting with 500, I believe your biggest hump is just getting through the first two days as long as you keep applying your winnings to your bankroll.
     
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    hi mate. how do i get a copy of your oscar grind spreadsheet please?

    thank you
     
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    Thanks for the reply guys. After your post I’m going to start with a 1000 unit bankroll and build it up from there. I think you are right about the half price on banker, it will probably even itself out over time to be the same as paying 5% every hand (or maybe better). I was just concerned that if I’m deep in a grind and it hits on 6 a few times in a row or close succession, but I’ll just play through as normal and see how it goes
     
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    You will not survive long! :) let me know when you will lose 1k :)
     
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    With 1,000 units, he’ll probably last a good while. Might even make it through a couple hundred shoes. If he uses his winnings to fortify his bankroll, then I think he will probably even get over his first big speed bump.

    I normally don’t laugh at anyone’s misfortune. When someone loses, I genuinely feel bad for them. With your current demeanor, I can clearly see that you have been wiped out. And I honestly don’t feel sorry for you.

    you did 3 things wrong. On a personal and moral level, the first two aren’t a big deal to me, because these are learning experiences.

    1) you’ve been playing OG wrong this entire time. Not only did I correct you in an email to tell you that the excel programming that you are using is wrong, you then later posted more results on this forum and I corrected you again, but briefly.

    2) you don’t know when to admit that you’re wrong. When I was trying to explain the reverse grind, you kept arguing and were dead set that you understood it but couldn’t agree with my simple explanation using your very own numbers.

    again, both of these things aren’t a big deal if you fix them.

    3) this is where I just never really respected you, and probably could never. While I respect a good hustle, I have no respect for scammers. You run a roulette site that is literally scamming people out of money. You claim or have claimed in the past to be able to teach people how to win at roulette using 1 or maybe multiple of the 17 mechanical systems that you’ve played at over 8 casinos.

    You deserve credit for starting this thread and that’s it! At this point, your opinion holds no value and isn’t even wanted. Take your failure and shove it. It’s karma, and you’re a punk. It’s not too late to turn your life around, but what I predict is a smart ass reply because your ego won’t be able to take a hit. Now go on and tell us how you haven’t been wiped out because you’ve been doing something else that’s working for you, create your excuse for your scamming roulette site, let me guess, your leads were forwarded to a different scammer, or you are a roulette god that knows how to beat it but came to bacc hoping that your latest scheme would flip a profit?

    kick rocks, fuck off to Pluto.
     
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    I’ve never played super six baccarat, but I’m familiar with it. When I used to play ez baccarat, you don’t get paid on a 3 card banker 7 win.

    My unit size was smaller back in this day, but if I was in a big grind, of more than 40 units, sometimes I would bet 1 unit on the dragon 7, if it hits, I make 40 units, which would make up for my push and keep me where I’m supposed to be.
    I did this on bigger bets for a sense of security. Unless you are counting cards, this is probably not the correct thing to do, but when you are in a big grind, the real goal is to just get out of it and hope the series ends soon, because every hand you are in it you are getting charged commission. I think the big six pays 12 to 1 (correct me if I’m wrong), so one option for a sense of security in big grinds is to do the math and help hedge your fund. Let’s say you have a $100 bet out, by placing a $4.00 bet on big six, you’d make $48 off of that and $50 off of your half priced bet for a total of $98. Since your not paying commission on all of your bets, playing the big six might not be the worst idea.
     
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    Ho ho ho, calm down man! Why need to write so much nonsense!? What do you know about Roulette? Do you know what I teach players? Did I ever scam anyone? On roulette I am providing to my players a computers to beat a roulette but online you can not do that because bets a closed before the spin is made! So why you need to write bad words about my website if you know just SHIT about it? I talk FACTS and you are writing just bullshit without any prove! 8 casinos!? wtf? I visited probably all countries around the world by playing roulette from Macao to the most expensive and luxurious ones Rich Club in London, more than 80 different ones!! What do you know about them? and you DARE to call me a scammer!

    You do not know how reverse OG works even I posted examples for you but you not even replied to them!
    If I do reverse Martingale means I bet double when I win! If I do Reverse OG means I increase on loses not a wins! What is so hard to understand!?

    I did calculation for all who is reading this forum and I got Negative number! That was just a note for everyone that in long term this doesn't wins. I never laugh on someone's loses but if he dive into something he doesn't understand well, maybe should read all this topic over again and find the answer! In 200 shoes you can go as deep as -5000u !

    I did not lost anything on trying your OG, just went down and got back all by my way! There was no mistakes just because I do count 5% and you not! This is the difference that you can not accept mathematical prove and living in your world of imagination!
    Good luck on your games, you will need that! and I am not sending you fuck off but you have no right to call someone scammer without knowing what this person is doing!
     
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