Baccarat Oscar's grind + baccarat

You’re lost, wrong forum. I thing you would actually find yourself more at home on this one https://www.gamblingforums.com/forums/roulette-scams.58/

 

Look is says Jae is a low life scam artist.

 

what's with all this personal trashing guys. Keep it in line please. @Jae dont really have to respond to them you know just do what you do

 

I would implore serious cats to put the retard, nuts job, coconut, scammer, attentions seeking types on iggy so they don't clutter up the joint with their bulls shits. It ain't enough for the gizmotard to spew his insanity on his own multi-pages rr nonsense but he gotta interject in rude fashion on EVERY single thread to run his yap. The gizmotard, alrelax and others are degenerate, bitter losers and they hate it when cats make sense and can actually win welll and regular at the game so they attack with such venom. So again put these cats on iggy and dprive them of the attentions they so desperate seek, hey hey.

 

Great idea. You are on ignore.

 

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. I smell a rat.

 

Didnt you hear ND, Denmark banned Astra Zeneca Covid vaccines. Lol

 

Maybe those cats there ( the politicians ) love a crisis and stuff it .

 

for what its worth, I ran a dozen tests of this here.
1. I would like Jae does, wait until I am at -20 units, (either playing very low units or just virtual play)
2. once I am at -20 ,I would then have 20 big bets in my bank and play OG to win 20 or lose 20 of those bets.
I won 11 out of 12 sessions.
maybe just got lucky ? just did it for fun . I could of course try to be more conservative and play to win 10 or lose 20 of those bigger bets( all banker bets)
Cheers

 

I am working on a milder version of Jae's OG with certain rules and exceptions and less waiting time and less units. Keep my fingers crossed. Will reveal for everyone to consider.
I can use it when I travel out of state to other casinos like LA.
I can't do my usual 5 Marty while travelling. Too much distraction

 

There might be something here. I can say that your results were what some and myself would consider lucky. But it does happen. I can without a doubt say that I’ve seen some days where when my trigger hits, it never goes beyond -40, so creating a money management system to focus on that ideal is possible, but I haven’t created one. An idea that I did put into actual play after small successful tests didn’t work out in live play, I essentially had a 20 unit bankroll, and if that busted, I would sort of establish my bankrolls like a martingale. Example 20 units @ $5 = $100. 20 units @ $10 = 200.

I played it very similar to this and it went into ruin. If I remember correctly, I lost around $2,000 after it busted 4 or 5 times. Didn’t bother to see how many more times it would bust as I wrote it off as a loser.

I think if there is a winning method based on a 20 unit bankroll, it would be more in progressing with wins instead of fighting the losers and having an point in time that you reset one you’ve hit a certain goal. An example would be trying to just win 20 units 3 times.

at $5 unit starting size, we’d have a bankroll of $100

after one win we should be able to press our bets to $9 or maybe $10 units.

after the second win we could press our unit size up to $17-20

if we win 3 in a row we’ll have managed to profit upwards of $700 off of a $100 bankroll.

In your case, this method would have worked out great, in your 12 shoe results, there had to have been at least two situations where you had 3 streak wins, meaning out of those 12 shoes you would have been looking at around a $1,300 profit betting $5 units.

 

I’d also like to mention this in case someone is interested in testing these theories out. It may not matter to some about having a virtual trigger of day -20. But I believe it really does help create more profits than having an aim at one unit and playing every hand. To do the simple idea that I just proposed betting every hand with a goal of reaching +20 units 3 times for a profit of up to $700 as a $5 bettor, you would need to play every hand and win an average of ten units a shoe for 6 shoes in a row without seeing -20. In my experience, this is no easy feat, and most likely would be very very difficult to create a method that would win more money than it loses. With that said, I think the larger your trigger is, the higher your chance of success.

If you have a 40 unit bankroll and start at -40 and establish a goal of winning two sessions pressing your winnings on the second session, then your initial $200 bankroll would become a $600 profit. If you pressed your bets again for a third win, you would be looking at making $1,400 in profit. There are a ton of ways you can go about this and I’d love to hear any ideas or see test results on whichever method and strategy you look into. You’ll undoubtedly have many losing sessions, so a large bankroll is still required, but tour grinds will be much shorter and your successful wins will be glorious.

 

I’m really glad to hear this and look forward to your findings. And I hope you do find something that works. I HAVE to rely on a large bankroll and a lot of waiting time because it’s the only thing that I’ve found that works for me. I’ve spent countless hours of my life trying to find something smaller that works because it would be so ideal. I love the progress of my long grinds and the payout, but I loathe the process and the time and effort that goes into a day to day.

 

Tryin to run Oscar grinds on the cheap ain't gonna work, hey hey.

 

You might be right, but it depends on what “cheap” is.

I went over the last 2 months of play.

I found 9 grinds that went over -500, but didn’t go past -1,000

If you started with a $500 bankroll betting $1.00 units, which you could, because by the time you hit -500, the bet size will probably be in at least the 30’s.

going off of this data, had someone used a $500 bankroll and doubled it every time they won, they would have made over $250,000.

I may actually be approaching this game wrong with this new information. Even if you have a goal of achieving this 5 times without busting into the -1,000 area, you’d make around $16,000 off of a $500 bankroll. If you did this 7 times, you’d make over $60,000.

these are low risk investments for a high return reward.

here are the drawbacks: you HAVE to be patient. You could be tracking two shoes, 10 hours a day for a week and possibly not see -500.

I’ve said before that I believe I see -500 once a week, and I’ll stick to that. While I have gone deeper than -1000 a few times, I truly think you have great odds of setting a reasonable parlay 2-3 times and succeed doing that more times than it would bust -1,000.

 

Jae I like to ask you, out of how many shoes played did you see the -500 ?
I think that to alleviate the trouble of waiting that long, and again I am looking at it from a "solo" player such as myself,
a -20 , -50 may be doable. the most important info that I am working on is the "bounce-back" factor.
and if it shows that my original test prove to be stable enough , your idea to compounding the profit would be fantastic, and even if it fails at time.
so I will run more tests and look at that bounce back factor. so far as I can see it worked great from being a 1 to 1 proposition.
now even if I was to win 7 or lose 10 of those big bets it could work.
what I would do as a solo player is have a very low bank to play OG as soon as I seat down on banker waiting to be at -20.
and then, (who knows if I even get there, and if I dont I make good still) ,I then use the secondary bank , maybe a 5 times unit like 25.00 $ , so as a example 500 $ (just guessing ) and play to win 400 or lose 500.
taking it to the next session and doing the same thing (after winning the 500) , we then could move up to.......%...50..100....,
as you said, there are countless ways to do this. that is, by the way, the way I see to built a business that promises great returns that to me is worth doing. numbers dont lie and it can be materialized even with many failures I believe.
Cheers

 

OMG! if you run into 3 Player dominant shoes does not mean the next one is a Banker shoe. So far 2000 units is holding up. I had personal experience with 5 Marty. 9 months perfect and 3 bust in 2 weeks only winning once a day. Just the other day on a continuous shuffler Baccarat game, 6000 hands and Player is ahead 380 hands meaning Banker won 2800 times. $100 a unit is equal to 280k meaning 14k in commission.

 

nothing is promised on a shoe to shoe basis, but those "bounce back" are happening very often and this is what I am betting on.
so I am looking at a small window, not sure how small that window needs to be right now, but work still needs to be done in that area.
you are 100% right from a shoe stand point , and so I would never play it on that for sure.
but expecting some wins within a shoe or two is totally realistic, and remember also that those times that those bigger bets will be lost, it stops the bleeding right there.
years ago I ran similar test on blackjack on a computer . I wanted to know what would happen after a player goes down 20 flat bets and then would have 10 big bets to play with, win 10 or lose 10, a one to one ratio.
those 10 bets were won 68 % of the time or two third ! I ran about 100 of those simulations so I know it is not gazillions.
still Richard harvey who wrote several book on blackjack and who is a player himself, has done much more tests on bounce back theory and they are doing much of the same thing I was doing as far as results.
now we need to find the proper number of bets that would be appropriate to be at risk. 10,15,20....?
also no one has ever said that if at times a player would said ,hit a + 7 a couple times but found much resistance to hit the 10 unit + mark , that he cant just take a smaller profit and get out.
I know it still needs to be worked on, but I personally like less risky ways if it could work with compounding the profits. less then 2000 units at risk with more profit ?
worth looking into. again the only thing that matters is the results. opinions are like noses and.....we all have one, lol.
Cheers

 

I know this is not the way to do things but consider this. If comebacks from 500-1000 units down are so successful, why not use ANOTHER extra bankroll to bet when count reaches those numbers?

 

One of the many reasons I openly share what we do here is to gain any feedback or ideas that may make the method better. There are ideas that I know I haven’t thought of, so I see these discussions as a valuable tool.

The deep grinds are hindsight. It’s not a guarantee that we’ll see -500 this week, so if we allocate money from our main bankroll just for this, we are taking away from our primary income stream. And since a full work week would bet us around 1,400 units, it wouldn’t necessarily be more beneficial for us to take away from that. But since we have the capital and the manpower to be able to fund these bets, I think we are going to actually attempt something new soon. This discussion made me do some testing, and I found a neat exploitation based off of our history that requires a smaller unit bankroll with a higher reward value.

I did a long write up yesterday and decided not to post it just yet. My team and I are going to put it into some real live testing on it for a bit to work on any bugs and figure out the best approach to the new idea.