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Baccarat Oscar's grind + baccarat

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by BeJustRich, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    After spending some time tinkering with your approach, the best way is to LOWER the volatility and bet with Math and statistics in mind.
    We know for a FACT that singles are 2x doubles and doubles are 2x triples and so on. We can now say singles are EQUAL of occurrences with non-singles. From this statement you can actually SKIP singles BUT a lot of times singles can benefit when one side is weak Therefore we bet singles with EXCEPTIONS.

    Rule # 1. Bet banker only but NOT against P with EXCEPTION to rule # 3
    Rule # 2. Wait for a count of -5
    Rule # 3. Do not bet AFTER P unless the preceding P is a SINGLE.
    Rule # 4. Do not bet B after B if the preceding B is a SINGLE.

    Rule # 1.
    No change with EXCEPTION

    Rule #2.
    The reason for -5 unit is enormous reduction of waiting times and eventually because of that will make up for the -20 unit wait because you get to play more times of -5 vs. -20.

    Rule #3.
    On a good B shoe where the P is weak, not betting B after P will miss out a lot of wins. Now at least you bet against P if the preceding P is single. If you miss out at least the B runs helps even missing out the first B
    P BBB PP BBBBB P BB. As you can see here. Only missed one bet on B at the end.

    Rule #4.
    Single B is not good because it jacks up the next Flat betting phase. Anyway, we can REDUCED this damage by not betting B after B if the preceding B is a single. If this appears BPPBP we did not win the B but did not raise the bet amount when we lose on the last P

    Observe this sequence. PP B PPPP B PPPP BB PP
    If you follow the rules above. you would have saved tons of losing bets.

    Defense win games. Period.

    I stick to my motto which is DID NOT WIN IS BETTER TO LOSE.
     
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  2. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    I left this IMPORTANT reasoning for tackling the singles.
    If singles and non singles are about the same in occurrences, and singles being NOT beneficial but damaging, the purpose is to leave them out UNLESS one side is weak and that is why those Exceptions are there to at least capitalize on them a bit.
     
  3. Jimske

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    Craps, IMO you ought to do some testing before you start throwing rules around. Maybe even just 4 or 5,000 wagers would help put things into perspective. Do you really expect people to start spending a lot of time testing every idea that comes down the pike?

    Every bet placement is going to have its "imbalance" moment. First discover what that is before you suggest stuff.

    J
     
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  4. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here's 1st shoe today. I added it to my small test which is now 53 shoes. When (and IF) I get to 100 shoes I will post the selection. To date after 53 shoes JAE OG making 5.65 net unit per shoe PLAYED. My method playing both sides getting 7.85 net unit per shoe played. Will it hold? Dunno. One reason it does well is because it does real well on shoes with great imbalance on either P or B. But, yeah, it has it's nemesis and I know what that is. There is no waiting and looking for a negative to occur. But there could be. If I ever get that far I will try to input something to see if that fares better. Sorry I didn't get the pic before the shoe ran out.

    J 5.13.21 SHOE.png
     
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  5. Craps

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    I think you missed the whole point. There is no way of saying whether the tweak is better than the original or anything else because it all depends what shoe goes with what. It's about less waiting and less volatility. Not playing against P is huge IMO unless B shoe dominates.
    It is more about slowing down losses MORE than slowing down WINS.
     
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  6. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    Just this shoe sample alone shows playing after -5 and following the rules actually turn out the +6 profit. Don't forget this is a player dominant shoe. Jae's OG is actually experiencing a drawdown with this shoe.
     
  7. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    Wow! Anybody who wants something got to at least worked at it. Besides that, testing a few hundred shoes does not mean a thing. I would like a method to fail miserably in testing so that I can reverse all the betting. Testing is only for execution proposes to see whether it is doable in real play. The ease of implementing the approach that is. Results don't mean a thing. That's why a system always works in testing but fail in the long run with real play.
     

  8. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I guess we all look forward to your idea. Let us know when it works out.
     
  9. Punkcity

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    Lol
    “Results don’t mean a thing”
    Casino employee pimping bogus advice, priceless.

    I do support his right to do so.

    With this world wide COVID seriously affecting revenue for casino, I’m sure the staff are doing what they can to shore up the coffers ( unofficially of course) to help with their wages and to keep the lights burning bright.

    He has no reason to test as he would not stick to the plan anyway and if he didn’t sell you on winning marty , this new one will hopefully jag the stragglers. I mean it’s all about the math and having fun as a degen.
    Nice
    Burn more money. Good work.
    Cheers
     
  10. Craps

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    Wow! This post of yours really define how good you are. Throw any bet selection out there. Half of the time you win and half of the time you lose. Winning with first 100 shoes does not mean you will win with the second hundred. System sellers usually have their system beat hundreds of shoes and if you use them it is bound to lose in the long run Why?
    What makes you think testing is reliable ? You never see two contrasting shoes?
     
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  11. Mako

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    Punkcity is a wanna-be, I doubt he’s ever had two nickels to rub together. Ignore him.

    Jimske likes to piss on any gameplay style he didn’t introduce to the forum himself, he’s been trying to nitpick Jae’s OG method for days now without success. Also a good one to ignore.

    As soxfan would say, lot of clowns in this circus, few worth listening to. Proceed.
     
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  12. Punkcity

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    lol go crawl back under your rock , you haven’t a clue as to what I was talking about. Didn’t pick you as a casino employee , you get laid off due to Covid-19? As for jimske picking Jae apart doesn’t seem that way to me. Far as I can see it’s question about not knowing the process getting answers,then he’s doing practical application.
    I seem to recall craps as being one of the naysayers re Jae then the next post he flopping about in support then he’s putting it down again, hence my theory more than one person is sharing his log in . I think you will find many others dishing the dirt on Jae. So you get your facts right and go call them out.

    lol

    I support crap and there posts to rope as many people in that they can. No harm in that is there?
    Go find your rock.
     
  13. Punkcity

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    Just to get it straight I’m on record here this forum on many threads as being ANTI sim junky, system testing for x amount of time, hands or shoes, spins, dice tossing all of the above.
    You craps which every one I’m dealing with today had previously commented that I am crazy to “NOT sit and watch a shoe before I start betting, how you could not believe that I can start betting as soon as I walk into a session “ you remember that from our discussions

    The only exemption I would give for a test of a theory before putting money on it is to see that I have the methodology/ process down pat , so I’m not freezing because I’m trying to think what the method is, therefore making no bet and potentially not win or make the wrong bet because I’ve run out of time, equally catastrophic imho. I am also on record for that statement previous posts this forum.
    I’m on record for past results mean sweet fuk all to the next decision. I’m on record that flopping about between methods is gambling degeneration all posted this forum.

    So get it straight craps you know I think most of the fallacy you and others post about and the method you all pertain to as a winner is laughable at the best of time. Since when have I flopped about and promoted systems? You may not agree with me on many things but you know where I stand . So this above quoted post of yours is bull shit, your talking though your asses .

    The results don’t matter quote is not related to testing at all as YOU well know craps ( all of you posting on that name site) . It is a reference to your many previously posted posts various threads that the result is not relevant, you are not betting to win , it doesn’t matter if you win or lose you are just betting for the sake of it AND hopefully your loa or destiny will see you through.

    Is that not right CRAP?

    Is that not what you have constantly posted? Do I have to go get the posts because you are about to flip flop again as per usual.

    Go crawl back under your foreskin mako, you have no idea. The clown face suits you princess not many get away with being able to wear a scrotum sack for a chin line. Suits you. lol.

    I truly support you craps and all the hair brained method you espouse to readers here. It clearly shows the number of systems you have bought, the number of playing method you have witnessed as you have dealt cards , truly I’m impressed that you have no bias to any particular method and are happy to post about them.
    I firmly believe and I’m on record here this forum “we need you and we need people to believe you and what you and others like you post” for “ without you and those that do as you say I amd many others here would have to get a job like you”

    So mako, shove it , I support craps and his right to post what he wants to convince as many people that they can gamble at the casino using any unfounded or credible method they promote.
    Love your work craps. Cheers
     
  14. Jimske

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    I think you should be able to get a good feel for something after a few thousand wagers. It would be unusual to get a SD that is way out of whack. But if you believe that why bother proposing a bet selection without major testing.

    But I will give you a little credit re: the singletons. The singles control the game. Without them it is impossible to lose! Like John-O said one time, "So what." LOL But I always monitored the singles. My placement side by side against B style OG does that.

    J
     

  15. Craps

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    There is no harm in testing. When nothing can change the SET odds in Baccarat, doing something to determined something can only be taken like a grain of salt.
    If you are a system seller, testing is everything.
     
  16. Jimske

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    Sometimes I think you speak total nonsense. Testing is not about changing the odds. Admittedly I don't read all of your stuff because I find it long-winded but if you have proposed a mechanical system that wins I don't know about it. Perhaps I'm missing something.

    But without such Baccarat is a guessing and betting game. So testing helps you develop a template and bet placement method whereby you can devise money management techniques and betting techniques to overcome the negative expectation. In light of that testing and practice can also help you win more hands then you lose using those techniques.

    As far as progressions go. They all win as long as you have the bankroll and don't bump into table limits.

    JAE has shown a unique way of how to do that.
     
  17. Craps

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    This is what I kept telling people to stop thinking about how to perfect bet selection OR how to time when to bet high or low. Putting too much attention on this will make you go round and round and see no improvement year after year. Look around in a casino at the Baccarat tables. Everybody is doing exactly this. If you are somebody going to the casino everyday, you shouldn't be doing this.
    You should be charting a lot and betting very sparingly. It is this type of players that shows longevity and they win in the dark This what I observed and learned from the other side of the table.
    Please read what I said about testing. I stressed that the RESULTS from testing does not mean much. I did not say it is completely useless to do testing. The benefit is to see whether you can implement your method without hiccup during real play. Testing is for execution purposes only.
    I repeat that Jae's OG includes a lot of volatility in the process because of the Singles and the runs of P. Therefore if we can cut down on these two things we can have a Milder approach. Very likely if you gain something, you are going to lose something. My take on this is the losses can be cut down extensively but winning after certain B's would be reduced.
    Anyone interested should do his own testing and we can tabulate the results to see the feasibility of implementing it. If this is not discussion, what is?
     
  18. Craps

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    I strongly believes Jae's action and winnings are real BUT I also think that he did not disclose his losses.
    Just the commission on Bank is very loosely explained.
    Think about it. If a drawdown can be -1000 units it means the action could be 50k to 100 k won on Bank in a back and forth manner. It could be even more. His 21 unit win after the comeback is way off the commission alone.
     
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  19. Punkcity

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    Flip flop
    Flipity flop.
    Flip.
    The sail is flapping in the breeze depending on which way the wind is blowing, aimlessly, no real direction, a pet dog running from person to person looking for affection. A politician that says what they think you want to hear as long as you vote them into office etc etc. Flip flop. Cheers
     
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    I just put the retard on iggy so they don't clog up the joint with their bulls shit, nonsenses and hurt my head with their retardations, hey hey.
     

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