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Baccarat Oscar's grind + baccarat

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by BeJustRich, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. Bactz

    Bactz Member

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    I guess I feel comfortable playing with about AUS $250 - $300 BR on the automated gaming tables (not quite sure if that is the stadium set-up) Yes they also offer higher betting amounts, but only on the BIG tables, where 5% commission is taken on winning banker bets.

    I don't think it's the dragon 7 or panda 8. It is the one with no commission whereby on any bank win, total of 6, they deduct 50% commission. So whether that is the big 6 - not so sure. Somehow I fear if I disclose too much information, somebody else reading this post may figure out the city or location I am.
     
  2. Bactz

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    If I remember correctly, I think the player pair or banker pair side bet is also in play as well. Still a little vague regarding that side bet.
     
  3. Punkcity

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    Lol
    Yeah that’s the downside of skippy island one horse town casino no anonymity. But really it doesn’t matter skip, deny, deny, deny and if that doesn’t work just go full blown skippy and tell em tar fuck off mate. Lol
    FYI stadium has mix of both rng and live dealer, I see you over there. Just kidding lol.
     
  4. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Save you money NEVER play the exotic side bets , tie, pairs, dragon, tiger or any other bullshit on offer.

    If you don’t know your way around as you seem to suggest per your posts, and you are open to suggestions the only advice you need is NEVER bet exotic.
    Some people suggest to use tie , pairs , etc as a “insurance” bet , it’s false economic reasoning aka bullshit. The % of min bet is wrong to your current bankroll. Even if your bankroll increase to $100k the exotic bet is still bullshit THAT’s why casino offers it , don’t be a donation ( atm )machine for casino employees wages.
    I have saved you 80% of your $300 bankroll right there. Cheers
     
  5. Jae

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    Correcting myself: it’s called the Super Six, I have a terrible habit of calling it “big six.”

    With a $300 bankroll, I can’t in good faith recommend OG to you. With $5 incremental minimums, you’d have a 60 unit bankroll and would most likely get wiped out in your first session.

    Typically I recommend a bankroll of 2,000 units, but 2,500 would be even better, especially if you are playing solo. Unfortunately, that’s $10,000-15,000 for a $5.00 bettor.
     
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  6. Jae

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    Super Six, Dragon, Dragon 7, Panda 8 are actually the greatest bets this game has to offer. They are all countable and beatable. No mental math required either as the casinos allow you to write stuff down in this game. And absolutely no heat on counting them either.
     
  7. Punkcity

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    Excellent post , good advice, far too often people go in under funded with unrealistic expectations. You cannot “wing it” and expect to replicate results posted here. As a novice ,paper trade , get experience meanwhile save a respectable bankroll that’s required. Otherwise you are just gambling and you will go down the all to familiar degenerate trap. Cheers
     
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  8. Punkcity

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    I beg to differ, if you have a method that works fine. You are the exception all good.
    But
    99% of those that bet the exotic don’t have a clue. The poster bactz has a “vague understanding of side bets” , his post. Therefore he’s the 99% category.

    To clarify I know personally a couple of people that DO profit from the exotic bets, their strike rate is sub standard compared to my bullshit method . It suits them I’m fine with that.
    Exotic bet is dangerous to the uninformed. IMHO
    Cheers
    If you care to share your method Jae, please continue. Out of interest I would be happy to change my opinion. Cheers
     
  9. stephen

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    As per lemonade's simulation, You have a 22.76% chance of doubling your 2000 U bankroll before losing it with Jae's method.
    Flat betting 40 units, chance of doubling 2000 units is given by the formulae, 1-(q/p)^50/1-(q/p)^100. For banker bets p=.4947 and q=.5053.
    The chance comes to 25.73% for doubling better then Jae's method!

    For banker bets without 5% commission as per lemonade's simulation Jae's method has 68% chance of doubling. For this case p=.5062 and q=.4938. For 40 unit flat betting, the chance of doubling is 77.55%.
    For this case if you flat bet with 1 unit, the chance of doubling 2000 units is a whopping 100%.
     
  10. Jimske

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    It's summertime and the living is easy. Just looked at the latest in this thread.
    Am I reading this correctly that some sessions went 100+ shoes before reaching a -20 on the P ?? If so then this alone should send up a red flag to question his sim. I'm finding no more than a handful of hoes go by without seeing a -20.

    Same here with less trials.

    Some years back we analyzed shoes from LV, AC, and CT that were collected by various members of a group. Our programmer using the same bet selection found wild discrepancies between casinos whereby the bet selection was changed for each casino. Of course this was small samples but regardless of the efficacy of the method one would expect similar outcomes from each area. So that controversy still exists.
     
  11. lemonade

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    The problem with small datasets is that they are usually skewed one way or the other, and they are too small to accurately represent reality. Zumma would do better than other datasets in this test because it is B heavy.
     
  12. lemonade

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    What were the results? With 1600 shoes you should've doubled your bankroll several times.
     
  13. lemonade

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    No, hundreds of shoes sometimes in a session, and a session is either doubling the bankroll or losing it all. I looked at the first 10 sessions and one was over 600 shoes and another around 500. They don't call it a grind for nothing.

    I have your shoes that you posted as a spreadsheet a few years ago. I will run them through and post the results.
     
  14. Jimske

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    Good. thanks. So you are not a new member. Are you Dave? Send me an email.
     

  15. Jimske

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    Baccarat on hold for the boys of summer. Go Red Sox.:):) 20210625_180408.jpg
     
  16. Chip Magnet

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    That can’t be right. According to Jae, Lemonade’s sim means he has a 77% chance of winning 2,000 units. He also says he is winning 200 units a day, increasing his bankroll by 2 and 1/2 times a month, and winning $39,000 a day ‘no sweat’.
     
  17. Jae

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    Sorry man, 200 units a day is old news. Had a mini vacation and updated our business model. We’ve added 6 hourly clockers, another casino and a new trigger of -500.

    Made over $175,000 this week, while you’re probably scraping change out of the couch to buy McDonald’s.

    I’m going to post a video of real-live gameplay sometime next week doing something that most can only dream of. Stay tuned.
     
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  18. hamsup_sotong

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    hi punk, 1/2 price is scary in the sense that if you're starting a 20/ unit target and your base unit goes to 40 , 1 hit wipes it off and subsequent hits eat into your br heavily. I have no issues resolving the series, but the back end of hairy shoes is getting terribly scary

    it's probably just a run of bad luck but I was seeing maybe 1 in 3 were longer shoes . Mind you these were just tracking in a b n m. it's a great method. just better at 5%( as that part is totally dependent on luck)
     
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  19. judge

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    This should piss some folks off. Go get'm Jae!
     
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  20. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    A video of live play sounds great. Let me know so I can watch you guys do your magic.
     

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