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Baccarat Oscar's grind + baccarat

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by BeJustRich, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. Shadymilkman73

    Shadymilkman73 Member

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    I don’t have the shoes anymore, but it was 3/4 player dominate shoes, where at one point player out gained the banker by 45-50ish decisions. There wasn’t a banker dominate shoe to offset that and it just kept seesawing, increasing the unit wagered and commission accrued.
     
  2. Mars

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    Try the shades that turn blue into red.

    they-live-07-1.jpg
     
  3. samc

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    @Shadymilkman73 May I ask are those shoes from B&M casino or online. If they were played in B&M casino, are those shoes from stadium live dealer or table? If online, then are them live dealer or RNG?

    I don't play OG in real casino, but I have some test samples from online RNG table. The two biggest draw down one is went to -3600 before recover. the other one went down to 2400.
     
  4. Shadymilkman73

    Shadymilkman73 Member

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    Online BetRivers live dealers, hand shuffle shoes.
     
  5. Johndepz

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    no system could ever even put a dent in the house edge
     
  6. Mars

    Mars Active Member

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    Now you are here to talk about math? That's rich. Go compare 10, 20, 50, 100, +++ shoes with the exact same selection and different progressions adjusting for average size and see what you get.
     
  7. Johndepz

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    marty would be worse results and flat would be beat
     

  8. Johndepz

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    just my opinion
     
  9. Mars

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    Yes, you can test all these things against each other in a controlled way and review how things perform.
     
  10. Johndepz

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    have you done that?
     
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  11. Johndepz

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  12. soxfan

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    As I recall, the Jae say he once got clipped for -1600 unit; so like any style from times to times yer gonna face adversity and sometimes serious adversity
     
  13. Mars

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    I am almost finished here so rush rush. I already explained how you can test progressions (which most everyone should already know and does). You take the same Bank/ Player win/ loss results, but apply different progressions to them and see how you do:

    W L L W L L W W W

    Flat: +10, -10, -10, +10, -10, -10, +10, +10, +10 = $35.8 Trillion
    Martingale: +10, -10, -20, +40, -10, -20, +40, +10, +10 = $35.8 Trillion.
     
  14. Johndepz

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    can never happen flat betting if you cant win dlat you can never win with a progression
     

  15. Mars

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    That's summarily false. I'm out of here 100% some of you are really just lazier and dumber than dirt. Effective progressions can result in win with a strike rate below 50%. Do you ever test anything or just type what you learned in some grade school math class? Quit wasting everyone's Fing time. Later to all you. Several with great knowledge I'll just watch what you post. The rest are just massive WOT and energy black holes.
     
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  16. Johndepz

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    can and will never happen if you cant win flat no prog can help
     
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  17. porky

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    With all due respect, most people will never win flat betting. It is always going to P or B and there is nothing going to guarantee the next hand.. NOTHING! The old comment to bet more when winning and less when losing fits the bill. It's figuring out how to do that, that will screw the majority of people... The only way to guarantee to not lose a hand is to not bet... The only way to guarantee a winning hand is to be on the correct outcome at the time its dealt....
     
  18. Jimske

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    It's nice to see assymbacguy is still around. The implication here is that your average bet size in a progression will be the same as flat betting the same. I've always thought that to be true. But I think it's only true because of the commission or in some games the push. In a true fifty fifty game it's not true. Take Stetson Bailey's "Foolproof" progression as an example. With no table limit and an infinite bankroll you cannot lose. But in Baccarat the commission will eat you up eventually.

    So you either have to be a good guesser, which is not impossible obviously, or you have to have a bet selection that has a positive expectation over and above the commission.
     
  19. Mars

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    I promised not to post at this joint again, and will not be posting anything related to selection or progressions ever other than I can't help this. Some should actually start verifying what you understand and believe.

    Take any substantial series, even as little as 1 single baccarat shoe, run flat vs a bunch of progressions, and the average bet size will not be the same for most all.
     
  20. Jimske

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    @Mars glad to hear you will stop posting. You add nothing. You and soxfan criticize and pontificate and keep playing your broken records ovet and over. A good pair! G,bye!
     
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