Roulette Outside the BOX

What the hell are you talking about ?
That is the same as to claim, that stone helps to swim ????? i thought i was the only one on tulips

 

Law of third,which is your base is that stone...

 

Once again, I don't understand a sentence of your post.
All that I can reply to that is...Have a nice day.

 

ok guys, put all the clowns on your ignore list, i may have found the key regarding our unhit method.

 

this is a part of our gameplay and betselection we haven't talked about in this thread and i think it may unlock the door to a more stable session.

 

Ok, so we decide to play unhits right.
first we need to understand why we playing this and what is the best apprach in reaching a profit after every session we play.
this hasn't to do anything with luck like the clown company pretend. this has to do with knowing what to expect.
A unhit number, is a number who is behind the rest, simple isn't it. we all know this, but why is this the case and how to we play it?
first, like i said before and turbo also said it a million times but i will say it again; all numbers, no matter how far behind they are from the rest, must and will return to it's average point of 1/37!!!! this is a fact, no guesswork involved. We just don't know when a certain number will reach this point if it happens at all during our playsession. but we don't have to know when it will happen, only that it does happen.
Our roulette wheel as far as i saw it the last time i played had still only 37 pockets
so meaning that you will never see all 37 numbers go inside their own pocket in 37 spins. I don't care what the clown company say, i just know it won't. if someone would say to me; what if i give you one million dollars if all numbers won't fall in the next 37 spins and you gave me your wife if they do what will you bet? i would call my wife and say that see don't have to wory, i will be home before dinner with 1 million dollars .
it just won't happen.
so back to topic. after 37 spins we always have some numbers that didn't came.
all these unhit numbers are behind the rest, nothing special here right.
the rest of the numbers that did came in once or more are have all performed on or above average. on average (1/37) above average (2 or more hits in 37 spins). we leave all these 1 and more hits aside, these are for another system.
So we focus us on all the unhits for our next cycle; spin 37-74.
The next step we need to think about is how are we goin' to bet those in the next cycle?
do we bet them as a group (not a very good idea) or do we bet them once they show up for the first time? (best idea) by betting all numbers as a group can result im betting on long term sleepers, we don't want that now do we.
Up till now it's all plain and simple.
next part is also trust me

When we take our unhit numbers we nees to ask ourself the following question; how many hits are needed to make sure our numbers are back to their average point?
They have not hit in the first cycle, meaning they are 1 hit behind. So all numbers we need to hit two times in the next cycle to bring them back where they should be.
cycle 1: 1 hit behind
cycle 2: 2 hits behind
cycle 3: 3 hits behind
cycle 4: 4 hits behind
cycle 5: 5 hits behind
etc etc etc..........
more to come shortly.

 

to resume my post.

The key to victory is the betselection and MM.
without these two we are lost in a guess world.
I believe the key factor is how we use our progression and on wich numbers.
to understand how we need to play we need to look how and where (in wich cycle) the unhits come in for the first time. What is the state of.the number and what needs to be done to bring it back to it's average point.
flatbetting won't work, i've been there regarding this playtype. we need a possitive progression like frodo and mako already play.
at least a 1-2-4-6-8 progression but you can make one for your own liking.

One of the keythings i found out when i tested thousands of spins is the following very important factor; When a number has reached it's average point, it will go zig zag again in any direction it likes! there is no control over ot anymore. sometimes it will go in a direction wich is in our favour, but most of the time it doesn't and will disapear in the dark for a very long inconsistant timeframe.

So it's best to leave a number along when it has reached it's average point. at the moment this is happening or at the end of the cycle (i prefer the last option).

The way we are playing now, raising our bets on a number everytime it hits, won't cut the rope forever. it will go very wrong, and i hope o'm not in one of those sessions when that happens, because we can lose alot of money when it does.

this is what i found out to be the safest and most MM friendly type of play.

1. Track all numbers up to 37 spins.
2. Note all numbers that didn't got hit.
3. Start betting only on a number when it starts to show for the first time not sooner.

this above is what we all do.

below is where the adjustment is.

4. when a number shows in the next cycle (38-74) we don't use any progression when it keeps poping up.
why? because in the second cycle a unhit number only needs 2 showings to bring it back to it's average point. Meaning all hits after are not granted but are gift.
why should we use a progression when we can only and need only be on 1 hit. first hit is the showing (we aren't on it) we now start our betting of 1 unit hoping for one more hit before or on spin 74. Meaning when this happens that number is done, and has returned to 1/37.
All unhits that have hit twice in the second cycle will be removed from our betting list once the cycle is over on spin 74.
All numbers that have still only got 1 showing will remain on board. clear? hope so

Now we come to the start of the third cycle,
spin 75-111.
Numbers that show up for the first timebin this cycle will need 3 hits to bring them back to their average point. numbers that have already hit 1 time in the last cycle, still also need 2 more hits in this cycle to bring them home.
Again, when this happens, we remove all the numbers that are done at the end of the cycle on spin 111.
We proceed this for as long as we like or when a new high is reached.

i do honestly think this the key.

so how do we use our progression then?
simple.
betting in cycle 2 we use no progression.
betting in cycle 3 we use 1-2 progression
betting in cycle 4 we use 1-2-4 progression
betting in cycle 5 we use 1-2-4-6
betting in cycle 6 we use 1-2-4-6-8
betting in cycle 7 we use 1-2-4-6-8-16
etc, for as long as you like.

the above is the max progression to use per cycle.
when a number hits more then it's average at that point, we keep the progression the same, for as long as the cycle ends.

hope this will help,
if you have any questions, please ask.
and more thing, let the clown company alone, they don't deserve attention.

have a great day friends.
cheers,
Eddy

 

Thanks, for you too

 

Hi Eddy

I have to say that the cycle based progression makes a lot of sense. Once a number hits the expected value, at the end of the cycle, the number will be removed from the list. By that time we should be at a new max.
EV(expected value for individual numbers for the European roulette. BR Bankroll.

//cycles Eddy variation

LOOP
STEP1
Cycle 1 spins 0-37 no bet ; collect numbers pool : ZERO HITS
The numbers pool will reduce as the numbers hit the EV at the end of the cycle
BET ONLY when numbers how 1st time, and keep them on the table once awaken
Cycle 2 spins 38-74 EV =2 hits | Bet 1(flatbet) |
spin 74: if BR AT new high: GOTO STEP 1;
If BR NOT AT NEW HIGH, remove from the pool the 2+ hits(max progression); keep 1 hits(1u) ON
Cycle 3, spins 75-111 EV = 3 hits | Bet 1,2 stop |
spin 111: if BR AT new high: GOTO STEP 1;
If BR NOT AT NEW HIGH, remove from the pool the 3+ hits(max progression 2); keep 1 hits (1u) AND 2 hits (2u) ON
Cycle 4, spins 112-148 EV = 4 hits | Bet 1,2,4 stop|
spin 148: if BR AT new high: GOTO STEP 1;
If BR NOT AT NEW HIGH, remove from the pool the 4+ hits(max progression 4); keep 1 hits (1u) , 2 hits (2u) AND 3 hits (4u) ON
Cycle 5, spins 149-185 EV=5 hits | Bet 1,2,4,6 stop
spin 185: if BR AT new high: GOTO STEP 1;
If BR NOT AT NEW HIGH, remove from the pool the 5+ hits(max progression 6); keep 1 hits (1u) , 2 hits (2u) , 3hits (4u) AND 4 hits(6u) ON
Cycle 6, spins 186-222 EV= 6hits | Bet 1,2,4,6,8 stop
spin 222: if BR AT new high: GOTO STEP 1;
If BR NOT AT NEW HIGH remove from the pool the 6+ hits(max progression 8); keep 1 hits (1u) , 2 hits (2u) , 3hits (4u) , 4 hits(6u) AND 5 hits (8u) ON
Cycle 7, spins 223-259 EV= 6hits | Bet 1,2,4,6,8,16 stop
keep 1 hits (1u) , 2 hits (2u) , 3hits (4u) , 4 hits(6u) ,5 hits (8u), 6 hits(16u) until spin 259
SPIN 259 GO TO STEP 1
END OF LOOP

End of algorithm.

 

I agree though would have preferred ...Have a lousy day

 

Hi guys, just got back from my local BM playing my variation, because i was and still am certain this is the best approach on this system to date and that i have alot of confidence in it.here are the results. I've imported my spins (wich i always keep) in RX to show you the chart and also included is a note with how the numbers come in and what i did.

this is just something that works and that the cycles and the used progression in each cycle are balancing together.

Made a nice €882 in just under 4 hours.

 

The beauty of my playstyle is that you will have so many exit points, that you don't have to drag it so far as i did in my playsession this afternoon.
Normaly, i would go home when i have reached +€100, but today i felt it was my lucky day and that my winnings would extend over my target of 100 and i was right.
If i would have stopped like i normaly do, then my session was over within 1.5 hours
But €882 profit is not bad for a 4 hour working day

 

Would not be better to start playing after 2 cycles(from spin 75)?? Because I am sure, you are winning the bigger money there, than in early spins 37-74......Just a thought...

 

Hi Frodo,

I may be reading this wrong but it appears that Eddy is clearing all bets at the end of each cycle. Why would this make sense? Because let’s say you’re in cycle 2 and your number has hit in spin 2 and it’s the only hit. Then it doesn’t hit again till spin 30+ in cycle 3 and then not again until cycle 5. Why continue to bet that number during the next cycle. If it hits again, start betting it again only you’d pick it up at stage 2 of the cycle you’re in. Not sure if that’s what Eddy is doing, but that’s how I was reading it. Perhaps he can clarify?

Best, Wally

 

Haha, awesome Eddy, great thinking. I was looking forward to you and Frodo talking about ways to improve the versions you're testing, you definitely delivered. The design makes perfect sense, you would need a ridiculous situation to lose, and as we're finding with all of the versions of this method of play any loss is quickly made up in the next session or two at most.

I like it most because now that we've seen the consistency of the selection, I've been keeping in the back of my mind the eventual chore of trying to reduce the numbers being bet on, and how to achieve it. Your version does that nicely while retaining the sharp accuracy.

Great job, looking forward to testing it. And congrats on your B & M win, you deserve it!

 

Thanks Mako, appreciate it.
Wel to be honest, we are doin' this together. this is how the forum should be, helping eachother and trying things out.
There are many members out here who can learn from us. istead of posting mems and gifs, bashing everyone into the ground. i for one like to be productive and work hard. learn from my mistakes and keep on trying. And it's always better to do that together with other members. So thank you, Turbo, Frodo and Mako. big thumbs up!

 

Wally,
it's all about knowing that all numbers will return to their average point.
When numbers are behind, they will try and make up for that in the next ...... spins.
instead of drifting further and further away like the clown company woud like you to believe, the numbers will hit more frequently up to the point where they are back to 1/37 even above.
Don't let the mems club fool you, this is something that will always happen.

 

and wally,
i'm not removing all bets at the end of the cycle.
I'm only removing numbers that have reached their average point again after left behind. All other bets that i have chips on, and didn't meet their 1/37 will be brought over to the next cycle. for as long as it takes, or like i would sugest until a reasenable profit is made or at a new high, then reset.

 

Like i said before.
numbers that didn't show up in cycle 1 are performing below their average point. and need to make up for that.
how?
to hit two times in cycle 2.
or 3 times in cycle 3
or 4 times in cycle 4
etc etc etc.
Once this happens to a number it will be removed after the cycle where is took place is done.
hope it's clear, if not, please ask.
cheers,
eddy

 

thank you for your sugestion, appreciate thinking along with us.
well it all comes down to, a: waiting time and b: missing out on early hits. Remember, it's not about the bigger hits, or the change to get them, it's about ending always in profit or close to that. it doesn't grand me the above by starting to bet on spin 75.