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Roulette Outside the BOX

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Frodo, Feb 21, 2019.

  1. jekhb1976

    jekhb1976 Active Member

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    Track until last street appears for the first time.
    Now we start betting on it using the street cycles. Raising every 12 spins +1 or make sure you end up in profit once it its.
    or play the 3 numbers in that street once they hit.
    Remeberd turbo proposing te same thing,and that the math stays the same, will look ig i can find that post again and repost it here.
     
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  2. jekhb1976

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    Some usuable quotes from turbo, everyone should read.

    Quote 1
    I would never suggest someone play cold numbers until they appear.
    A group of numbers that sleep/are cold for a long period of time - and then show - won't be long term sleepers again as a group. In this case past spins are needed, charting, waiting - all the things I preach against, yes. If someone is determined to play cold or sleepers then that's the only suggestion I would have - wait until they appear and then play them. In the very least you will have avoided playing them and losing every spin until they appear. And it being possible that they won't be all long-term sleepers again makes it possible to get some gains from it. At Parx online next week, I'm going to dedicate all of my play on the "farthest back" 4 number sections (and no, it doesn't matter how you pick the numbers - I prefer to use the table layout because it takes less tracking). And I'll demonstrate how the 4 number section that takes the longest to show won't be the same 4 numbers that sleep again for the longest amount of time. This is an advantage we can exploit. It is however incredibly slow and boring - if there was a choice between playing hot numbers vs waiting for these cold numbers to appear - why wait ? The hot/repeater method wins every time in my book.
    I'll use a progression as well if I don't get a win in 9 spins (required for break even or profit) but it can be a mild one of +1 after a loss of 8 spins / no change if a win on the 9th spin and -1 after a win on spins 1-8 and repeat until the unit size is 0. It's a contained progression that produces slow results but reliable.
     
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  3. jekhb1976

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    Important post by turbo II

    Here is my question, it will take us down the road a little bit.

    You and I sit at the table.
    37 spins go by (past spins - whatever... we were playing other things)
    now that those 37 spins are over, 12 numbers haven't appeared yet.
    (since we both sat down)
    I turn to you and say "a few of those 12 (probably 6) are not going to appear in the next 37 spins !"
    Am I right or wrong in making that "prediction" to you ?
    There are 12 unhits at this point in time (I have NO time machine, which I understand
    is the running joke but we're doing this thread like adults)
    I say to you that a few of these 12 aren't going to show up in the next 37 spins.
    Clearly I don't know which numbers it's going to be, but I can make a
    prediction that a few of the 12 will not appear in the next cycle of 37 spins.

    Would you call that sensible and logical ? (I sure hope so).
    Or would you say something else...

    So we're not twisting words - example !!

    We both sit down, 37 spins go by...
    Here are the no-shows : 2,7,9,12,17,23,26,29,30,32,35,0
    (I just ran this example in RX and sure enough there were 12 no-shows. why is that ?
    Why is it soooo predictable ??) But I digress.
    I say "some of those aren't going to appear in the next 37 spins !
    You say "______________________________" what ?

    37 more spins go by - now we're at 2 cycles complete and the unhits are :
    7,9,23,26,32,35,0

    I was right ! 7 of them didn't appear in the next cycle.
    Did I need a time machine ? Was it voodoo or gypsy magic potions ?
    How was I able to "KNOW" this ahead of time ???????????????????
    HOW was I able to predict what numbers WOULD not appear ???
    Isn't the opposite of this logic also in play ? (yes).

    Please, please answer the question because this is very simple and we're keeping
    it "adult".
    I don't need to hear that "this has no value" because it DOES.
    Not only does it have value, it completely changes the math of the game.
    A number can't hit twice unless it's hit once, etc...
    And you can't lose by NOT betting on a number that doesn't appear.

    I can even boldly predict (although I can't say 100%) that one of these
    won't appear in ANOTHER 37 spins.
    (crosses fingers and clicks auto spin)

    now 37 spins later - 26,32,35 haven't appeared.
    3 of them !

    This isn't rocket science and it isn't magic and required no time machine.
    And a smart person will know already that knowing what "NOT" to bet on
    is a big plus when it comes to defeating the tiny house edge.

    We should start here shouldn't we.
    Explain to me how I was able to know what "NOT" to bet on and why ??
     
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    In the eyes for the LOT you can asume that out of 12 sleepers from cycle 1, you will get atleast 4 shows in the next 37 spins. In the cycle after that you will get another 3 min.
    etc
     
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    @TurboGenius Could you please verify in all honesty, that you algorithm (repeaters) always win flatbetting? I dont care if it takes a long time, but I have to make sure it can be done flatbetting. Otherwise a lot of enery might be wasted for us to find something that works.

    Thanks in Advance!!!
     
  6. jekhb1976

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    you don't have to play straights all the way up to spin 185 and beyond.
    we just need to convert our testings to another location. If math is right and it always is in my opinion then it doesn't matter.
    We are making the sessions way to long.
    Let's convert it to streets.
    Wait until last street shows up, usualy between spin 13-32. Now if we would like to play the straight numbers in the streets that's fine, but as a group we can also play 3 units on that street, same payout converting to straights. we can also play the street and the last number that showed up in that street, by making it a combo bet. we can also play only the last hit number in the last unhit street, make it a single bet.
    there are all kinds of playstyles, with math always staying the same, and giving us the same results everytime........ thoughts?
     
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    adjust the progression to always be below or just on the table limits and the location limit.
     
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  8. jekhb1976

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    if you keep track of the last unhit street, you will notice that the last unhit street won't be the last unhit street in the next session., same goes for the numbers as a group inside (3). furthest back. those 3 as a group won't be the same group of 3 that are the next inline as the numbers wich arw behind again in the next cycle. it just can't. this is where math is always right.
     
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    I can go as far by saying that flatbetting is also enough playing this way. only progressions will make more profit and bring you sooner home.
     
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    or just keep track of 12 spins and note wich are unhit after those 12 spins. play them as they show using a progression, just like we did on straights, math stays the same.
    we are overcoplicating things.
     
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  11. jekhb1976

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    Shorter sessions, lesser spins, same payout.
    Loney Streets - V1.0

    Max Cycles 12
    Max Spins 112

    1. Track 12 spins as they come in.
    Don't use past spins, prior to your session.
    2. After cycle 1 is over (spin 1-12), we note wich streets didn't hit during cycle 1.
    3. As soon as of of the unhit streets shows up for the first time, we start to bet on it (1u).
    We proceed this for all unhit streets that shows for the first time in this cycle (cycle 2)
    4. In cycle 2 (spins 13-24) the unhit streets need a total of 2 hits to bring them back to their average point again, so we bet only 1 time on every street that pops up, because it only needs one more hit after showing.
    5. Cyle 3 starts (25-36) the unhit streets that didn't got back to their average point, now need a total of 3 hits to make it there.
    etc etc etc.
    use an agressive progression.
    end session when decent profit is gained.
    Stop when only one street is left that didn't got back to it's AP.
     
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    should be "Lonely Streets" ofcourse ;)
     
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    You know i have met some people, same kind... claiming they got a hg in order to make other people work and share their ideas with the "gourou" because those "hgers" knew of course their system didn't work... I'm not saying this is the case with The Genius but if it was... it works well!
     
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  14. Frodo

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    Hi Eddy

    The progression has to be more aggresive if you look on the outside bets. We have to take the zero into account. One of the reasons i do not like outside bets is just that, we give too much power to a number (0 or 00), adding to the already unfair payout.
    I agree that thse sessions are too long(185 spins). To attack numbers against all odds, we need to synchronise the betting window with the progression. That is where things go south.
    What does the bet selection do?
    It tries to PREDICT. We do not need to be 100% accurate in that. But what we need to be 100% accurate is the way the progression synchronises with the betting window.
    Since we attack "sleepers", we bet them only after they awake. The progression needs to cover the missed numbers and the unfair payouts. That's why it has to be aggresive.
    We need progressions because we cannot be exposed to the infinite permutations n at the power of n in n spins.

    In 37 spins you will have at least 1 numbet that repeats 2 times. There it is:1 Holy Grail. Now why can't we use that. Because the repeater can come at spin 36. And 1+2+3+...+36=666 giving us
    -666+35=-622 after 37 spins
    Flat bet
    The casino knows this and gives us limits. Max bet, max betbper number, etc.
    Does that change math? NO!
    We will still have 1 repeat in 37 spins.
    If we would have infinite money and the house rules would allow it, we would always win.
    Now lets add probability to it birthday paradox.
    1 repeat on max 24 spins.
    That's already 13 spins less!
    1+2+3+4+...+23=276
    Damn! We are still on minus -232
    Flat bet.
    Does that change math? NO!
    We will still have 1 repeat in 37 spins.

    There is no guessing involved. The winning bet catches at least 51% of something that happens 100% or 0%.
     

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    @Frodo
    I ment the 3 numbers in the last unhit street, not the street itself.
    We only bet on the number in that street once it shows up, we do this for all 3 numbers.
    now we need tk keep in mind how far the street in total is behind it's AP.
    i'm playing a 66000+ live spinfile to see how this will hold. so far, early tests show possitive results.
    As far as the progression goes, let's say our last unhit street shows up at spin 30 say street 1 (#3 hits) now the street in it's total is almost 3 hits behind (bein' #3 is his firsr hit out of the 3 possible hits during this cycle).
    Now we start betting 1 unit on #3. when a new number in that street comes we also bet 1 unit on it. as the session carries on, we adjust our progression to the number of hits still needed.
    you know where i'm heading?
     
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    I asked turbo, if he could also look into our thread and see if we are missing something or are on the wrong path.
     
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    Guys, what is the math saying to us, playing inhits?

    A. that all numbers must and will return to their average point.
    B. This also means that Random does have limits.
    C. If A must happen B will make us money.
    D. Only a possitive agressive progression can make up for our mistakes.
    E. We only aply an up as you win progression
     
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    Like i said before, here we can profit from playing unhits. The only thing we need to figure out is what progression is strong enough and stays within table and location limits to make sure we always end our session in +
     
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    Random will make sure we will win.

    If we play unhits and only.play them after showing, we only need to know 3 things.

    1. How far is our number behind it's AP
    2. What progression do we need to make sure when the number does return to it's AP we are in profit.
    3. State of our bankroll
     
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    Cycle 1 0-37
    Tracking
    Cycle 2 36-74
    All unhits are 1 step behind and need to hit for a total of 2 to bring them back to AP.
    Cycle 3 74-111
    All unhits are 2 steps behind and need to hit for a total of 3 to bring them back to AP.
    Cycle 4 112-148
    All unhits are 3 steps behind and need to hit for a total of 4 to bring them back to AP.
    Cycle 5 149-185
    All unhits are 4 steps behind and need to hit for a total of 5 to bring them back to Ap.
    etc
     

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