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Roulette Outside the BOX

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Frodo, Feb 21, 2019.

  1. jekhb1976

    jekhb1976 Active Member

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    Suggested progression when needed according the number of wins needed in that cycle:

    1-5-10-20-50

    this should be agressive enough to overcome the variance.
     
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  2. Frodo

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    Let's give this one a good test. Nothing worth while comes without struggle. It's like climbing mount Everest.If everyone could do it..
    Spin 185 stop plus or minus doesn't matter.

    1-5-10-20-50
    Spin 185 all bets off.
    No stop losses.
     
  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    The gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlofallacy or the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the mistaken belief that, if something happens more frequently than normal during a given period, it will happen less frequently in the future (or vice versa)
     
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  4. mr j

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    This place looks more and more like RF & R30.

    Ken
     
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  5. jekhb1976

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    Not a good sign test 1
    Over 40 spins, not a single hit on a unhit in over 40 spins wtf? these are from live spins btw.
     

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    Tell us something we don't know.
     
  7. jekhb1976

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    Don't react Wally, he's getting a kick out of it everytime we do.
    Better to ignore.
     

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    I have not thought about trying what you do with the ones that do not come out the other way, I mean the ones that are repeated.
    It's just an idea, but what would you do with those who have not left, with the repeated ones?
     
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    It’s like the movie Groundhog Day with these guys.
     
  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Tell me about it! Everyday they reinvent the same nonsense. Triggers, progressions, the Marty, and the law of the third. The forumtards are big on recycling.
     
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  11. jekhb1976

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    Good morning friends,
    As you all know, some very important threads are long forgotten, some with great value.
    You all know i'm a huge Turbo Genius fan, well shoot me :).
    This man, is in my eyes one of only a handful roulette players on this planet who knows truly how to end every session in a winning one.
    But most of the members on the board refuses to read, test and learn. Shame really, because if those members would take the time and go study, alot of nonsens conversations wouldn't be here.
    That bein' said, i've came across a post by Turbo, wich i think has some great value, but it will need some adjustments i think...
     
  12. jekhb1976

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    The post was a reply to Rona in the thread: 38 people go into a casino.

    The reply that was given by ed was this:

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    TurboGeniusWell-Known MemberFounding Member

    Now, what if instead of 28 people we play all the bets ourselves - one person?
    Could this be the start of a new system?
    I've been through ways to play like this countless times -
    The "best" way to play (and stay along these lines) is to play every number in a dozen
    (not the whole table - since every spin you will win but lose also)...
    So play all 12, if a number in the dozen shows - add a chip to that number and remove
    any of the other bets that are at 1 unit and have not shown up yet.
    This way, almost every time a number shows in the dozen - you win, and "any" repeat is
    also a win of 2 units. Etc.
    It works well, it's not perfect. Tweak to your liking.
     
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  13. jekhb1976

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    Here is my result in testing a session playing this was, only i made a few adjustments, don't know if it's the right way, but talk about that later.

    profit over 700 units in 213 spins, not bad i would say.
     

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  14. jekhb1976

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    Although my session turned into a possitive result, i must admit that i don't like playing this way.
    There are a few reasons, why you shouldn't play it exactly like turbo described, and like he said himself, adjust to your liking :)
    A. a dozen can sleep for over 20+ spins.
    If you were starting and you would pick the wrong dozen, you're doomed. amd you are way behind before even had a hit in your dozen to begin with.
    B. I'm not a fan of betting on numbers that haven't showed up yet. there could be long term sleepers among them. Sure, numbers will hit above their AP also and maybe make up for the others, but still don't like it.
    C. a 12 chips bet every spin from the moment you start, mmm.
     

  15. jekhb1976

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    Now some of you might be saying' Hey Eddy, smartass, how would you start to play them, uh uh ;):).

    Lol.

    Well, i would start by still tracking 37 spins to begin with, just love tracking ;)
    Then i would look wich dozen had the most sleepers in it.
    This will be our target dozen for our entire session.
    You now got a whole bunch of locations that are way behind their AP.
    And the best part is, we only have a few numbers that need to be A. tracked B hit above or on average in the following cycles.
    For example we have tracked 37 spins and dozen 2 has 6 numbers in it that haven't showed up yet. this will be our primary dozen for our session and our focus will only be on those 6 unhit numbers.
    We start our session only once one of these unhit dozen numbers show up, never sooner, reason described above.
    We always use a possitive progression and an agressive one. never 1-2-3-4-6-7 etc, but start atleast with 1-2-4-6-8-10 etc i prefer a martingale of max 7 steps.
    1-2-4-8-16-32-64
     
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  16. jekhb1976

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    Now here comes the twist, keep the original idea intact, only now we are using it on a few numbers only and with a different progression type.

    Let's number 14 pops up, now we start our progression on that number starting with 1 unit.
    We keep our progression (bet amount) the same oufcourse until our number hits again. Only a possitive progression will be used, never use a progression when you are losing.
    Now we get our second number. We also start with step 1 in our progression. But.......
    let's say #14 has hit 2 times before our next number came. wich would by holding then step 2 of our progression. so we have 2 units on #14 our new number, let's say for the sake of it #20 will get 1 unit on it. This is the important part. When ever an old number gets hit, it will go up in the next step of the progression, only the other numbers will a progression lower then the leader will get a decrease in the progression line.
     
  17. jekhb1976

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    Example of play.

    14 DZ2
    28 DZ3
    01 DZ1
    26 DZ3
    11 DZ1
    34 DZ3
    25 DZ3
    15 DZ2
    32 DZ3
    12 DZ1
    01 DZ1
    11 DZ1
    15 DZ2
    14 DZ2
    29 DZ3
    03 DZ1
    33 DZ3
    35 DZ3
    23 DZ2
    05 DZ1
    00 DZ1 ( i have put the zero to DZ1)
    27 DZ3
    24 DZ2
    26 DZ3
    26 DZ3
    11 DZ1
    35 DZ3
    01 DZ1
    04 DZ1
    33 DZ3
    03 DZ1
    07 DZ1
    05 DZ1
    13 DZ2
    20 DZ2
    00 DZ1
    14 DZ2

    Dz1 hits:
    0-1-3-4-5-7-11-12
    Dz1 unhits:
    2-6-8-9-10
    Dz2 hits:
    13-14-15-20-23-24
    Dz2 unhits:
    16-17-18-19-21-22
    Dz3 hits:
    25-26-27-28-29-32-33-34-35
    Dz3 unhits:
    30-31-36

    Summary:
    Dozen 1 has 5 unhit numbers
    Dozen 2 has 6 unhit numbers
    Dozen 3 has 3 unhit numbers
    A total of 14 unhit numbers are left after 37 spins.
    Because dozsn 2 has the most unhits in it, our primary focus is on Dozen 2 for our entire session.

    33 NA
    28 NA
    36 NA
    19 Bet 1 unit
    10 NA
    17 Bet 1 unit
    21 Bet 1 unit
    32 NA
    25 NA
    02 NA
    09 NA
    20 -
    36 NA
    31 NA
    05 NA
    22 Bet 1 unit
    30 NA
    17 Win - Bet 2 units, rest stays the same
    07 NA
    13 -
    11 NA
    14 -
    15 -
    02 NA
    03 NA
    29 NA
    33 NA
    34 NA
    21 Win - Bet 2 units - reduce rest to St1
    24 -
    26 NA
    31 NA
    30 NA
    22 Win - Bet 2 units - reduce rest to St1
    24 -
    12 NA
    16 Bet 1 unit
    21 Win - Bet 2 units - reduce rest to St1
    21 Win - Bet 4 units - reduce rest to St1
    01 NA
    34 NA
    12 NA


    etc etc.
     
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  18. jekhb1976

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    The reason i choose this type of gameplay is to balance the betting amounts at all times.
    and make use of a strong progression when a number hits above average. And to make sure when a number stops performing the way we like we don't loose much on it.
    Thanks to turbo for pushing us in a new way of looking at this game.

    Not a HG by any means, but it can be with the right tweaking. Any thoughts or suggestions, improvements? don't hasitate to comment.

    have a great day,
    Cheers,
    Eddy
     
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    That was 20-10 years back, that is now and will continue. Nothing changes. Simply are peoples who like to talk more, than to win :)
    To each his own...
     
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