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Roulette Outside the BOX

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Frodo, Feb 21, 2019.

  1. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Frodo,

    Finding the probability of an event doesn't enable you to calculate when it's due to occur. That's part of the gambler's fallacy. Furthermore, if you didn't suck at math then you'd realize that the probability indicates that you can't beat the random game because the house payout is short of what the probability says is a fair payoff.

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  2. Mako

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    Quick run using Spielbank Duisburg spins, single table/single day, consecutive order.

    Played Eddy's way, 1-2-4-6-8, but staying on all unhits once they appeared after the first 37 spins until one reached the 6u bet (7th total hit). I went to the 8u bet only if it was needed.

    Re-tracked and reset after any 6u win, and wound up with 4 total betting cycles in 292 spins.

    The longest any of them went was 136 spins before reaching a profit. Needed the 8u bet one time, but it wound up not being the hit that drove the session to profit for that cycle anyway.

    Spin set ended at +782u.
     

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  3. Wally Gator

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    Mako, how is the 6u bet the 7th hit in the sequence? What am I missing there?
     
  4. Mako

    Mako Well-Known Member

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    That’s a typo, should read 5th hit. :p

    Easy to test, give it a shot Wally, see what you think. Will do more runs tomorrow.
     
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  5. Frodo

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    Hi,

    What you seem to overlook is that
    I am not playing the billions of permutations that the numbers can generate.
    I am not playing ALL TIME
    I am not playing ALL Numbers
    This is a PROCESS that can be iterated ad infinitum.
    There is no guessing involved in it
    The math gives you a window of betting (statistics) and random gives you what to bet (or better said what not to bet)
    I am playing a selected group of numbers, in an almost impossible to replicate situation - what is the probability of 2 cycles of 37 to repeat on the same numbers!

    I will take that chance, anytime, anywhere.
    If it loses one time, the wins would dwarf the lose.
    Does it work flat betting? Why not? I would probably have o play for 1 million years to get there. Unfortunately, i, same as everyone in here am mortal.
    The progression used on hit numbers can and WILL overcome the HE.

    As i said before it`s not the Holy Grail. Its just an idea that makes sense no matter how you look at it and twist it around. Its not even something new.


    Think about it before you reply. And feel welcome to do so on any of my posts.
     
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  6. Nimo

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    Playing it flat. Set Ayk's tracker to 37 spins. Play all unhit after 37 spin cycle. Removing hit numbers, re-adding unhits as they cycle in and out. Playing the approximately 8-16 numbers on currently unhit.

    Here is a real money online session, European Roulette. RNG OLG casino. $50 bankroll. Stopped once balance hit 10X bankroll.

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  7. Frodo

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    Taking the idea to a next level. Briliant move, Nimo!
    Of course the 1 spin non believers will say it`s all fake:).Not enough spins. Luck. And all other BS.
    You are absolutely right to stop at 10X!

    Keep riding those waves!
     

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    Be honest and point me where those same people will post their losing sessions? Everyone can post winning session, no?...
     
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  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Chasing cold numbers, really? You guys are still trapped in the gambler's fallacy box.
     
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  10. Nimo

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    You could always do your own testing and see what comes of it. You obviously have time to waste reading forums so you might as well try something productive.
     
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  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Some people don't suck at logic, math, and common sense.
     
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  12. Nimo

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    That's right some of us have really great business acumen that allows us to sit in Eames chairs while doing this, while others have to travel the world to find a wobbly wheel being away from family, becoming slaves to it.

    Good luck with that, I'll take my fallacy plays that win day in and day out without chasing a billion spins in the comfort of PJ's surrounded by my loved ones working less than 4 hours per day making a very nice income.
     
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    Sure you are. ;)
     
  14. Mako

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    Am continuing with Eddy's 1-2-4-6-8 progression version today, did another 20 cycles, all performed extremely well. While I'm doing it I can also see the flatbet outcomes for each cycle, and not surprisingly, they mimic your positive results.

    Occasionally in the flatbet results you get a session where the unhits are behind the expected hit rate for an extended period, say through 111 or 148 spins, but then in the next cycle or two they hit at an accelerated rate and wind up net positive by spin 185 or at the latest 222. And of course the progression version rockets upward at that point as well.

    It's impressive so far, will continue to run it through actual spinsets and see if it holds. If it does, I'll put it through your AC 00-wheel spins Caleb and see if I can get it to break.
     
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  15. jekhb1976

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    funny that sir no one still thinks we are chasing cold numbers, but in reality we are betting on repeats o_O i never bet on numbers that don't show up, only when they do making them candidates to become repeats and hot ones along the way. funny, just funny how some people think and see things.
     
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    well, you do.
     
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  17. jekhb1976

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    trust me, it will hold.
    the results will always be the same, no matter how many sessions you do.
     
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  18. jekhb1976

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    to sir no one and his group of clows;
    ALL NUMBERS WILL RETURN TO IT'S AVERAGE POINT, GIVEN ENOUGH SPINS.
     
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  19. Mako

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    It’s such a simple way to play, enjoying it even in testing which is rare. Usually testing is a long slog, without real money on the line it’s as boring as watching paint dry....
     
  20. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Average means you'll still lose. Average isn't good enough in the long run.
     

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