Roulette Oxymoron

Turbo,

Regarding the max bet limits...your statements simply aren't accurate. It's not to prevent systems from working. It has more to do with keeping variance within a casino's comfort level and game protection from cheating. Besides many casinos will raise the max bet limits once they get to know you.

A progression can't turn a losing system into a winning one in the long run.

 

And they raise the minimum bet level as well. Nothing changes other than the ratio, a progression won't work any better or worse with higher limits when the min is higher also.
Regardless - none of that is needed, a short aggressive progression is all that is needed.
And "long runs" are certainly a bunch of "short runs" combined.
So if I win all of the "short runs" and combine that result, I've won long term also. Grins.

 

Wait, what ? How is that possible ? The casino has the edge and no one could possibly win (laughs). Hmm.
There's that "luck" word again. Shame people still use that.

 

Then how do you explain the Ken phenomenon?
MrJ wins flat every time, he just picks the winning numbers and takes his time on the roulette table.
No progression, no hit and run, analyze this!

 

There is another way to look at this as well!

If you started with a dollar and let it ride 15 times, you would win $32,000. So capping it at around level 9 means you can still win $1,000 after placing the final $500 bet. I am sure paying out 32k for a buck doesn't sound appealing to the Casino. Now of course, the casino would be happy enough to pay you out a buck for risking the final $500 bet and losing $1,000 in the process if the bet loses. That's sheer stupidity in itself, however even someone crazy enough to do that isn't going to place a $16,000 bet to win a buck and risk losing $32,000.

 

*writes down in notepad...

 

Very well said Eugene, that's why I agree (or disagree) partially with TG because not all of the progressions are the same, therefore it's not possible to turn any bet selection into a winner by just applying any progression.
I agree with Michaela that the first thing one should look is the selection and after for the proper progression.
The common ''Achilles heel'' of the vast majority of the progressions is that their risk versus reward ratio is very unbalanced, they risk too much to win 1 or 2 units per coup.
We shouldn't be surprised why such approach will not be a long term winner.
In roulette as in life you can never say never...given sufficient time everything can and will happen.
So why to go against the current, why to bet against a probability instead of embracing it?

 

Are you Bob Dancer or ''EvenBob'' from WOV?

 

Nope, just Bobby. I have never used that site. In fact, I never really discussed much anywhere because I have never found a place where people aren't bickering 24/7. A productive area for discussion is all I want, and so far this forum is the closest I have found. I have an account on R.cc & Betselection but never use them.

 

Me too, despite too much useless info and negativity you could find something really good once per 100 posts.
I'm of the opinion that this forum and betselection are the best regarding gambling and that because members are different.
No matter how well developed a forum might be, members are its ''soul'', thus the most important piece of the puzzle.

 

I love it when a person says....EVERY TIME, as if looking for a fight. I dont win every time, never said that.

CORRECT >> flat betting, I take my time, no progression, no hit/run (usually but open to definition).

Ken

 

When you have a predefined winning goal such as 40 to 50 units and you achieve it by risking up to 200 units, this is not hit and run according my perspective.

Perhaps not every time but overall is what matters most of all.

 

The thing about hit/run......lets say I start playing. I can make big plans (not at casino) for later that night, if I so choose. I get some bigger wins EARLIER than I normally do so I decide to leave. Is that hit/run?

Ken

 

Since you don't risk more than your session's bankroll it's not hit and run.
But let's say someone has 1000 units bankroll and 10 units profit goal, this is hit and run.
You see, hit and run is not about amount of spins/time, but the profit, if you risk disproportionaly money in regards to your profit goal, it's what we call hit and run.
A profit goal cannot be known beforehand if and when is going to be achieved, it could be in 1 spin or 100 spins or 1000 spins, but profit is profit.
Usually we set profit goals per session and not amount of spins to play.
However, someone might establish a target such as: after 1369 spins (37x37) I'd be on profit, how much I don't know but all I know it'll be positive.
While someone else might say: I'll win 1369 units, when is going to happen I don't know, but I'm certain that I'll win this amount.

 

Usually (not always), regarding profit goal........I'll do 1.5 of a gross hit. Meaning, if I am doing $20 bets ($700 gross hit), I'll quit around +$1,000.

Ken

 

Either the house edge "works" or it doesn't. It's there on every spin so there's no question of avoiding it somehow by keeping sessions short, that should be blindingly obvious. You need to test your system over a long range because in the short term, depending on how many numbers you play, the variance (luck) will dominate. This is what fools systems players into believing that they can win. As TG has demonstrated, numbers can remain positive for 1000's of spins, but a longer sim will reveal the truth.

In fact, TG contradicts himself because if the solution is to pick the currently hot numbers then why should the house edge matter at all? If it worked it would be like playing a biased wheel, so the more spins played, the more you would win. But he admits that it can't be avoided and his solution for that is to use a progression. The progression is supposed to "overcome" the house edge, the same house edge he's apparently already beaten by betting on the hot numbers.

 

I've won 6000 spins with flat bets on one number at a time (only 1 but not the same).
Final result was more than 4K units net, do you call it luck?
A regular session for me is from 100 up to 300 spins, how much I've to win in order to stop wondering if I'm lucky?!

 

BlueAngel,

The math:

35 x N - (6000 - N) = 4000
N ~ 278 wins.

That would be more than +9 standard deviations. You don't get that kind of result picking hot numbers on a random wheel, so either you found a biased wheel or you're full of cr*p.

 

I'll be honest. I don't give a shit about the house edge. I'm not playing long enough for it to matter.