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Craps Pals Patrick and Heavy AND "BEATING" THE CASINO

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by LarryS, May 11, 2015.

  1. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    There used to be some dude doing infomercials...it was an hour infomercial on how to make millions buying homes with no money down. The course cost 299.00 at the beginning, and it myust have been very popular because it ran for a couple decades in 80's and 90's.
    I would always wonder....if he could make money buying homes at no money down then resell them for a profit...why is he asking for tens of thousands of competetors. Why isnt he quietly making millions using his own methods.

    Same with DI. Why are we so lucky to be able to buy this information.....become successful, and then ruin it for the original teachers when the casino sees all the success and prohibits dice setting.

    Why arent the original founders just quietly making their money, and living the good life. Why do they need me to join them? Why am I so lucky as to be offered the secrets of the DI.

    iF i found a way to consistently win at roulette....I would be on a beach in aruba sipping a manahttan, and applying my trade when and where I choose. I wouldnt need to inform the general public. I wouldnt need to share my secret method. Why?? Because once I share it and others use it...the casinos will take counter measures. Why the f.... would I do that.

    I would only do that if my methods made me so little money....or no money at all.....where I would need someone to buy the methods in order for me to make money ON the methods.

    there is a Carleton Sheets in every hokey make money scheme
     
  2. Tabletop

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    +1!! VERY Well Said, My Friend!!! You've Found the "Holy Grail", & You're So Excited That You'd Like to Share It With The Entire World. YEAH, Right!!!!!!!!
     
  3. Tony Baloney

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    Take The Money And Run... LOL. Hey, wasn't that a book? When the movie '21' came out, it caused initial hysteria by wannabees wanting to get rich quick counting cards at Blackjack. Maybe the time is ripe for another BS tsunami... this one a movie about I WON MILLIONS THROWING FUCKING DICE! Starring Frankie, Heavy, RockNRoller and Rick
     
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  5. LarryS

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    DI

    the beanie babies of gambling
     
  6. Tabletop

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    Sorry Tony Baloney. You shouldn't Put Superrick in THAT Mix. He's NEVER claimed to be Making a Killing in the Casinos. He Does NOT charge a Fee to help Someone Out with Their Shooting. Also, he's Told ME countless Times: NEVER put Too much on the Table, & Get your Money Off The Table quickly. Those are the words of a Guy that can really Shoot. Rick is NOT the one Touting Great Success. As a Matter of Fact, It's Quite the Contrary with Rick. He'll tell you in a Heartbeat That he Loses Sometimes. My Biggest Pet Peeve with the Craft is That it's VERY Fleeting, & You CANNOT count on Dice Influencing to Make Money in the Casinos. You have to be at the Right Place at The Right Time. Try to catch a Good Roll & Run!!! Stick around after a Good Hand & I'll GuaranDamTee You that You'll Give Some(If Not ALL) Back. It's sad that so many People are searching for that "Holy Grail", when there is None. I find a Fuc**ing Holy Grail Every damned Day that I practice On my Home Table. Only Problem is That the holy Grail only Lasts for One Friggin Hand, & then everything's Back to Normal. So, what is Normal? RANDOM...... Just Like Everyone Else. If there's anyone that Deserves a Dice influencing "Exploratory" Award, it Would Be Me!!!! I've Tried EVERY toss Known to Man. Every Landing spot, Spin Rate, Trajectory, etc. When it's all said & Done & the Smoke Clears, The end Result is ALWAYS the Same. RANDOM as the day is Long, With some Beautiful Tosses Mixed in! JUST enough to Keep you trying for Something that Just aint Gonna Happen.......... INFLUENCE!!!!!!!
     
  7. LarryS

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    what does money management have to do with an ability to shoot.

    I say the same thing..its common sense.

    does that mean I "can really shoot"????????????????

    very funny
     

  8. Pressit

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    Larry it is simple math. Buying a home for nothing down doesn't mean you are getting a home for free, you are just using OPM to buy the home. Then you become financially responsible for the payment, taxes, and upkeep, and hopefully you bought ithe real estate at a steep discount and/or with very favorable terms, and then hopefully you'll be able to sell it at sometime down the road for a profit.

    On the other hand selling books, tapes, videos, holding seminars To thousands of newbie real easte investors is cash money in the hand. All those real estate hucksters made money off real estate, but most generated more money selling the how to products and if then following up with a call/email to join their inner-circle in some cases thousands of dollars.
     
  9. LarryS

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    who said the home was free. The scam was that you bought the initial 299.00 deal, that ended up being incomplete. And then you were encouraged to buy the mentor package for 2k-5k per year. It was all about add ons. You could never go out and make a profit with the initial offering.

    And with DI you cant go out and make your consistant profit from the initial offering. You need brush up classes. You need to practice hundreds of hours.. You need to buy a table for your home.

    Time is money, tables are money, courses are money./
     
  10. Tabletop

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    Forget the Classes, Tune Ups, & the Home Table. Personally, I wouldn't Spend One Penny On A Dice Influencing Class. It's Fun to Execute a Controlled Looking Toss, But DON'T Expect to make Money Doing it. A Few will Skew Probabilities Enough to Be Net Profitable, but it Won't Be From Dice Influencing Skills. There ARE shooters that Toss Better than 1:6 Long Term. Those Shooters ARE Normally Random Rollers that Have a Propensity for Skewing Probabilities. Lucky S.O.B's, They Are!!!! I once witnessed a Blind Man(In Tunica) at The RoadHouse Casino Have Three Consecutive 20 Plus Hands. He'd ask the Crew to set the dice on the Hardways Set, & He'd Hold his Hand Out Ready to Toss. I actually Ran into his Wife in the Elevator, & She told me That Her Husband Has ALWAYS been Lucky with the Dice!!! She also said her Husband Hit the Lottery Once for $50,000. As much as I hate To admit it, Some People are Just Born with Good Fortune.
     
  11. LarryS

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    I totally agree that the concept is flawed and just plain impossible to replicate consistently. And I agree that DI's that talk of their great throws are having those throws out of luck, just as non dice setters have great throws. A video of someone setting dice and getting a predicted outcome from a throw does nothing for me, because I do not know how many throws it took to get that result.

    And visiting someone at a table and seeing them have a great day is not a significant sample size.

    If I thought this through and I thought that there was a realistic way to win with DI, and if I visited A DI at a table, and they had a bad day...I would not take that as proof that DI was an illusion. Its a small sample size. Nor is one visit of a successful roll proof that its a valid method.

    But sometimes you have to believe that what you know to be a fact will prevail.The facts that all the variables that cause a result in a dice roll cannot be harnessed. Cannot be duplicated consistently.

    But besides the logical conclusion that the method is insignificant as a gambling tool. I also thinkits significant to point out that just as with the "buy homes for no money down and make millions"......the course that was offered for 299.00 was sold to the customer who did not know that other add ons were going to be required.

    Same with DI.Other "add-ons" are required Courses are offered without the upfront caveat that people will need to spend hundreds of hours of practice with a home table...and other future course will be helpfull. Like I said...time is money. Tables are money, courses are money.

    And the sad thing is..that even after all the "add ons"........people still fail,

    can someone with parkinsons disease, or takes medication that causes parkinsonian type tremors be successful at DI???
     
  12. DeMango

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    Sure, set the dice on 7's!
     
  13. Tony Baloney

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    John Bramblitt has become famous as a blind painter who does the most amazing works, see below. Tabletop mentioned a blind dice shooter. When it comes to feelings and emotions ... the realm of the inner workings of the incredible human mind, most of us are stuck in ruts that deny what is possible. With DI, I guess most of us discount the possibilities, and even have the arrogance to brand what we will never understand as... voodoo bullshit. Take a look at the blind man's painting again... he paints by 'feeling the vibrations of colors.' What a load of voodoo crap, eh?

    blind-painter-john-bramblitt-8.jpg
     
  14. Tabletop

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    Tony baloney, I'm a Proponent of Dice Influencing. I'd love for it to Work, & I can toss the Dice with Precision. Only problem is that after six long Years of Study(On my Home Table) & Countless Sessions In the Casinos...... I really Couldn't tell you if it works Or Not. I know that I'm Profitable Since taking Up the Craft, But Who's to say that it's not Just Pure Luck!! I'd Love to believe that It's skill, But I CANNOT say it Conclusively!!! My dice Fly Together, Land Together, & There's Uncanny accuracy with hitting My Target/s. However, This is ALL THAT I CAN CLAIM to be Consistent. NOT the Dice Outcomes. Trust me, the Only people that are Consistently skewing Probabilities are The "Lucky" Shooters. You know, the Very Few that God Himself "Blessed" with Good Fortune at Birth. Most don't think it's True, but There ARE people BORN to Skew Probabilities, but it's NOT by their own Choosing. Fortunately, it was Given to Him/Her at Birth!!!! Now, are their Dice Influencers that Possess this Special "Gift", but Think the "Gift" is Because Of Hard Work & Practice? Hard to say, but there are Those that fling the Damned Dice 100 Miles an hour, Hitting EVERYTHING in sight, YET they always seem to have Longer Than Normal Rolls. Sure wish I Had that "Good Fortune". LOL
     

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    Yesterday I was going through a number of forgotten emails in one such email was a was a long forgotten PDF book from Jerry Patterson and Sharshooter. Well scanning over the 152 pages I had forgotten all the little intricacies and find details which go into a well executed a PARR toss. The toss is only as good as it's landing after they hit and roll and bounce off the backwall it is anyone's guess what number will show. Linaway, is a savant in this area of craps. As a shooter once you have a toss you are comfortable using from any position on the table, then the real money maker falls under money management. IMHO I think John Patrick and David Medansky are the ones I would follow.
     
  16. jbs

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    Anyone following Patrick or Patterson needs their head examined, oy!
     
  17. DeMango

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    Don't know about Patterson, but Patrick doesn't think the pass line is a good bet. What a dork!
     
  18. Pressit

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    I never had any trouble employing Particik's advise. The only time I make a PL bet is when I'm the shooter and that is only because you have to. A PL bet is a even money bet why not place where it will pay better than even money?
     
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  19. DeMango

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    So what place bets pay better than -1.41%?
     
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  20. DeMango

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    The answer is of course buy bets in MS with vig on win especially the 2/12. And of course those 3 or 4 casinos that give free buys on the 4/10. But all gambling authorities consider Patrick a joke.
     
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