Craps Pals Patrick and Heavy AND "BEATING" THE CASINO

Can you take down, call off, increase, or regress your PL bet. No you can't. So I wait until after the point is established to make my bet then I have full control.

 

Incorrect!!! Most Gambling Authorities Consider Patrick a "Scared" Gambler!

 

What exactly is a gambling authority? (of which Patrick ain't)

 

This goes to the realm of advantage player (AP) boards such as those run by Stanford Wong, James Grossjean and others. They speak of advantage plays, most of which involve blackjack, sports betting and other beatable casino games. The math is the math and a system will not beat a negative expectation game. So no Patrick system need apply.

 

a 14 year old with downs syndrome could "employ" patricks advice.

His advice is easy to "employ"

and after 3 decades of promoting his methods....in books, tv, pay-per-view, dvds, seminars, radio appearances.....he has 3-4 followers on his website ...and gets up to 2 posts daily on a good day.

yes there are plenty of people that have "employed" patricks methods.

i think they must not be able to afford a computer....as they do not populate his site.

 

Hey LarryS I most certainly do agree with ur post about Mk saying if you are one inch off you can get a 4-10 split. He is rong for the most part. Yes you can get a 4-10 split, but usually you miss by more than an inch. I have been bowling for over many yrs. and yes you can miss by even several inches and still get a strike. Most pro. bowlers can't hit their "mark" that often, but they hit an "area" more often than not, and that is their "mark". Just sayin

 

LarryS

Occam's razor, simple direct, cuts through all the BS. Most people don't like Partick because of his condescending personality, and not his many betting methods. As the late great Sam Grafstein once said about betting methods, and I'm paraphrasing, there are no new betting methods, just the same known methods all tied up with a new ribbon.

 

Pressit

That is absolutely true. For example, Patrick has 2 main craps methods of play..one he calls "the patrick system" and one he calls "the ricochet".
He published them in his book in the 80's. These 2 methods of play were around well before he was born. Like you said...there is no new method that can be discovered. Its all out there. iTS BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG LONG TIME...Like you said..patrick and others "discover" a
new method"..and its just them putting a different color bow on an old method that already exists.

Same with his method of success called money management. He has a rule that after 3 losses you leave the table. If you ask him, how long you need to leave the table you wont get an answer. Is it 2 minutes, 2 hours, 2 days? Its all artbitrary. There is nothing magic about the number "3".
The number 2 will help you avoid losses even better. And leaving the casino after 1 loss would ensure you have the minimum loss.

the thing that makes him look like a moron, is that he gladly admits that he has no knowledge of math, he has no insight into the math component of gambling. He claims ignorance. He admits math is over his head. Yet he preaches that math is insignificant. He calls people who question his methods..."mathboys". He dismisses math. So the question is.....how can someone ignorant of math....dismiss it. How can someone ignorant of math form a whole gambling philosophy that dismisses math. If he had a good handle on math and dismissed it...then there would be some credibility. But he dismisses math based on ignorance. He claims that he does not play in the"long run" therefore math does not apply to him. Just by declaration, he and his follwers claim they do not play in the long run.

I have no background in math, and cannot do statistical analysis. But I do realize that if I gamble every week....I am indeed gambling in the long run.
And MATH DOES INDEED APPLY TO ME.

i cannot declare that math doesnt apply to me, just as I cannot declare that gravity doesnt apply to me. Just making a declaration doesnt make it true.

So I agree with you in one respect. Yes he is abrasive and people dont like that. But he is also selling snake oil in my opinion based on declarations that have not been scientifically proven.

Heck...he has claimed that he has a new basic strategy in BJ, that brings the vig down to zero. When I asked him to give proof of this declaration..he deleted me. When I asked him ...if its true that using his BS, the vig of BJ just went down to zero.......why isnt he on the front pages of every gambling magazine, and Time magazine as well...more deletions. Ask those questions and you are dismissed as a "math boy".

His other method he swears by is that you should predetermine how you are going to bet BEFORE YOU ENTER THE CASINO. So if you are going to play red on roulette....then if you walk u to a table that has black rolling spin after spin....you wait it out till red starts coming out. Kind of stupid but that his method. He predetermines that he will bet black and odd. And he says he sticks with that. WTF

Yet he is a fan of "trends". according to him "trends dominate". So on the one hand predetermine how you are going to bet before you enter the casino....yet "trends dominate". So what if you think you see a trend that is against your predetermination. What if you predetermine that you are going to play the dont side...but you are at a table that is on a long roll hitting points and numbers. Do you stand there like a dope till the table starts showing more 7 outs?

heck, to me..his abrasive attitude is nothing compared to his fk'd up house of cards methods.

he not only has methods that are recycled with a different bow on it. But also has methods based on total false assumptions.....unproven declarations.

 

Snake oil? Say it ain't so, snake oil being sold in Crapsville? Hope it doesn't spread over to Roulette.

 

LOL Patrick copped it right in the moosh from LarryS... and deservedly so. The strongest argument I can find for Pat is that in an insane way he is kinda sorta right about 'Trends' because whatever game anyone plops their arse down at in any casino, there is always some trend apparently operational, and the main one is... random. LOL again. I dug this image up for Patrick, which I believe explains a lot about his gaming views...

 

I agree about the trend being "random"

trends are great to look back on. But to recognize one that is going to continue is impossible.

Trends are so easy for a gambler to exploit...that in roulette and Bac.......the casinos say...here you go....I will post the last 20-30 spins/hands...go find your trend and knock yourself out.
You want to chart a table at craps before entering....be my guest the casino says

Casinos love to invite people to come in and hop on any trend you perceive is going to continue.

thats how profitable "trend spotting" is for the player

 

Patrick ran off anybody that didn't agree with him! There was major censorship on his board. You would write out a post and it would never show up on his board. Just goes to show you what happens when you have to much censorship!

 

Old Patrick had this paid for sport betting tip phone service, not sure how it happened, but he gave a free 3 month trial subscription during basketball season. And although I had visions of becoming the next Billy Walters, sports betting was not in my cards.

 

If you followed his advice you were fked from the beginning. I paid for his service for 6 months about 10 years ago and it was horrendous.
he would give out losing picks,and then the next day on his recording spend too much tme complaining how he should have won and that his pick was correct except for.....(fill in the excuse). And then he would run out of time and get cut off when giving his picks for the day.

He also had a real generous way of calculating his wins. 'WE JUST ABOUT BROKE EVEN" rahter than"we had a losing day"

It was horrid.

And then when I signed up, he email me back and tells me that I should figure out what I wanted to bet on for the given day, and then listen to his picks. If I HAD A DIFFERENT PICK ON A GAME.....i should use MY pick or throw the game out. WTF

WHY DID I NEED HIM

 

Dear LarryS, send him your bill for your losses. Include tear and coffee stains on the letter. His compassion and integrity will soon see a refund in your bank account... I am sure. But please, DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH WHILE WAITING

 

I liked his phone tip messages that got short because he being himself often continue talking after the tape ended. Then the following day on his web site would make note of the games that were left out. Opps

 

surely you people can figure out that Patrick is just an old time flim flam man. You couldn't possibly take him seriously.

 

Don't you know there a little bit of film flam in all of us. Surely never met a pitchman that didn't have that gene.

 

but his methods are useless and he is clueless.

 

He proudly refers to himself as "a conman". He gloats about how he used to cheat at poker using a lady partner at the table in vegas, who gave him hand signals . He regales them with stories of how he would hang out at the rack and sell picks and only collected if he won, but he would give out every horse to different people so that he would be guaranteed a profit He talked about conning himself a honeymoon suite and walking out without paying. He is proud of all that. And his followers do not connect the dots and say "hey..if he is conning all those other people and is proud of it.....why am i so lucky that he isnt conning me"