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Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Johndepz, Nov 9, 2023.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    While I do utilize the derived roads I don't generally play them in this manner. But I often think it can be a great way to play. The betting generally must be to bet opposite last decision (OLD). So unless there is going to be a long chop we are not going to get a lot of WIAR but we'll get our fair share. In a good shoe or section we will get quite a bit of WLWL so I don't see this method as a great flat bet method. The attached shoe was one I played today and saw this would be a good one to play the Big Road from the get go. Here's the shoe. I put it in the Scoreboard app so you can see the derived roads, non of which, played out as well as the Big though the Cockroach Pig wasn't awful. So what's the "Signal" or "Trigger" to choose a road and when would one stop or switch roads? IMO, there is no Trigger that would be any more than a guess. If anyone has an idea then I'd be happy to hear about it.

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    Scorecard doesn't show all P and B and photo doesn't show all the roads. Best I can do. But you get the picture.

    Cheers

    (Soxfan method wins these real choppy shoes, too. About 7 units on this one after commission.)
     
  2. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    When the student is ready, the teacher will appear, hey hey.
     
  3. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    Jimske, that's an interesting shoe! (most of them are with their own unique characteristics)

    From hands 32-55 the 'terrible two's' never have a double loss giving 19 wins out of 24.
    Running a SAME/DIFFERENT stream and looking at BALANCE/IMBALANCE, there is a stretch where you have 12 out of 14 in which the IMBALANCE immediately switches to BALANCE with the added bonus of the BALANCE going on some runs.

    So far instance...

    D
    D
    S
    D is IMBALANCE

    S comes next and so on a running count...

    D
    S
    D
    S which is now BALANCE

    If D comes next...

    S
    D
    S
    D = BALANCE

    If D comes next...

    D
    S
    D
    D = IMBALANCE

    This is kind of like looking at SINGLE vs SERIES using the BALANCE and IMBALANCE. (In this shoe, the Imbalance was throwing out lot's of 1's)

    When you run multiple streams, you eventually work out that there is a reason for everything and things kind of fall out in a uniform fashion. All you really have to do then is focus on the one which is kind on the eye. Out of 6 streams, 1 is going to playable for a couple of segments in a shoe and you can capture a few units taking advantage of the dispersion.
     
  4. Duongban1984

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    " The betting generally must be to bet opposite last decision (OLD)."
    I don't understand this part, can you explain more and describe it more clearly for me? Sorry. Thank you very much.
     
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  5. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    "The bet should generally be the opposite of the (OLD) final decision."
    I don't understand this part, can you explain more and describe it better? sorry. Thank you very much.

    OLD = OPPOSITE LAST DECISION.

    If B comes, then OLD is going to be P on the next hand.
    If P comes, then OLD is going to be B on the next hand.

    FTL = FOLLOW THE LAST.

    If B comes, then FTL is going to be B on the next hand.
    If P comes, then FTL is going to be P on the next hand.

    So when you think about it, it really all boils down to the next hand is going to be either OLD or FTL (ignoring any TIES)
     
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  6. cps10

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    That’s the million dollar “guess” - OLD or FLD
     
  7. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    LoL, yes, it is all guesswork but that's part of the fun of it. I will guarantee 100% that some players are more 'lucky' at guessing than others.
     
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  8. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The Zen Master speaks! Hahaha. You two guys haven't figured out he's messing with you. There is no automatic bet selection that achieves an accumulation of 51.8% strike rate which , if existed, would net an average even of 1 unit per shoe let alone 1.5 units.

    I told you this before.
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    "That stretch of shoe decision woulda capture me a bets flat profits of 5.45 unit, hey hey."

    Duh! Wait for a P bet B. If lose then you got PP and bet B again. That gives 5.45. He may have other bets but this shoe doesn't go more than PP. But those bets alone do not achieve 51.8%

    Aak him to play the next shoe. Not so bad given all the P's . -2.2 units net betting as above BUT he has other bets so likely lose a few more.

    Cheers
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  9. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    That bottom shoe would have been a good one for the simple trend method. Catches longer streaks, chops, twos. The One, Three, One pattern kills it though (Y XXX Y XXX Y)

    XXX bet X
    XYX bet Y
    XXY bet Y
    XYY bet X
     
  10. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    If you translate the Y XXX Y XXX Y to either B or P

    B
    P
    P
    P
    B
    P
    P
    P
    B
    P
    P
    P
    B
    P
    P
    P
    B
    P
    P
    P

    And then use S/D

    D
    S
    S 2'S
    D
    D 2'S
    S
    S 2'S
    D
    D 2'S
    S
    S 2'S
    D
    D 2'S
    S
    S 2'S
    D
    D 2'S
    S
    S 2'S

    Of course, all easy to see after the event but it's not so difficult to build a framework where you would have to be the unluckiest son of a gun alive not to pick up something.
     
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  11. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Bbbwwwaaaahhh, but what happen when yer "luck", yer "knack", yer spidey-senses supers-power go on the fritz; then what are ya gonna do, hey hey????
     
  12. baccarou

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    Accept the wins and losses with the same grace because what else can you do? I knew a really good card counter back in the late 90's / early 00's,
    he always carried a little book with him in which it detailed all his sessions, win or lose. There was one period where he lost for 3 months solid but it didn't break him because he accepted it as an occupational hazard. He always used to say after a bad session ''The operation was successful, but the patient died'' I often thought to myself why didn't he 'just 'wong'' it. I look at my game like that. I pick what I consider the best times to bet and the casino don't care because I am playing a negative expectation game. So far, so good!
     
  13. fathead

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    That would work. There is always a pattern that will destroy you, though. No matter how you choose to bet.
     
  14. baccarou

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    Hello Fathead, yep, I get what you are saying and can't argue with that. The killer is you lose every single first bet you make no matter how many different attempts you make at riding something. When it goes like that (which it does now and again) I think it's probably just best to quit either that particular session or come back another day.
     
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  15. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Over the course of my lifes-time I've come up with three baccarats style what are longs-term winner showing profit buckin up against minimum of 5000 shoe. I've also come up with two different style for the dices table proposition what are also longs-term winnings style. And one of the baccarats style and one of the dice style what I come up with are longs-term winner on the strict bets flat basis. Winnings style are purely objective, mechanical and replicable not involving any need to guess or have the "knack" or spidey-sense "supers-power" or any other nonsensical follishness and mumbo-jumbos, hey hey.
     
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  16. Blacktiger

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    do you use telegram? message me at (nostarsinskyy) I guess we have talked earlier
     
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    In our country we only use zalo or facebook
     
  18. SPIKE

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    I've never understood why the different streams in baccarat would work because they come from only two outcomes, banker and player. In roulette the different streams come from the possibility of multiple outcomes because there are 37 pockets. 37 possible outcomes make for a lot of unique streams. Two possible outcomes in baccarat make for almost no unique streams except the main one. All the other streams in baccarat come from the main outcome. I can beat Baccarat only when the patterns and trends are playing my game. I do much better at roulette because there are so many more streams to follow.
     
  19. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Tell us more MR. 88% strikes rate, tell us more, hey hey!!!!
     
  20. SPIKE

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    Nothing else to tell, douchebag. You cannot get a bunch of honest unique streams out of two unique outcomes, it's not possible. They're all just derivatives of the main stream. With roulette you get many unique streams this is why it's easier to beat. Dumbass.
     

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