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Baccarat Playing (and Winning) Baccarat Over The Long Term

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by gr8player, May 18, 2021.

  1. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    Hijacked what? It was literally directed towards me in a passive-aggressive way.

    13+7=20

    Where’s my Nobel prize? What do you mean I don’t get one for something so basic? Same with OG. Banker wins more than 50% of the time, therefor, it will ALWAYS recover.

    I’m not replying to you to appease you, this is for anyone else reading your posts unfamiliar with your mental-illnesses.

    So again, even though OG will always recover betting banker, I personally may not be able to recover due to table limits and lack of bankroll. I’m literally done at -2000. I haven’t hit that in the last 200+ days. Am I lucky? For sure. But I could have busted several times and I would still be in the green. Matter of fact, I could have busted my bankroll 15 times, and if still be in the green. That would be busting about twice a month, and it just doesn’t happen. I never said that I haven’t came close to busting. I’ve been close, and we recovered. We thought it was a done deal for sure. I will bust one day. No doubt. Bust as long as I’m not busting once every ten days, I’ll always be in the green. The casinos don’t have to change a thing to protect themselves from me or players doing anything similar. We don’t have to worry about everyone on this board abandoning their methods for this one either. OG has been a hot topic on this board for the last month, and I’m pretty sure only a small handful are taking advantage of it. Go back to winning on paper.
     
  2. soxfan

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    Bbbbbbbwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh, the gr88888888888888888one talkin all kind of that and this and the john-O ain't made the scene to slow him down, terrible, hey hey.
     
  3. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Seems to me that the only thing most people want is for you plus anyone else that’s has a reasonable methods to fail. For what ever reason they give and all the chit chat they post they should just cut to the chase and declare they don’t want anyone to succeed, be done at that then go to the “why are we even here thread” get their tissues and jell then just circle jerk.
    I get you don’t think any one can win. I get you are waiting like vultures for some to
    Post
    they had a drawdown,
    They had. A loss or two.

    I get that makes you feel superior and Rock hard.

    You don’t agree then say so , then go somewhere else. You don’t agree then say so , then there is now no longer a reason for you to post on that particular thread.
    At least jbs posts his sentence or two then leave, has more of an effect then dribbling posts of vultures.
    Lol
     
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  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You might like to consider things like standard deviation.

    You really have no idea what a claim you are making. Just try to consider the conclusions of mathematicians that have gone over OG for probably centuries. The Marti, The Grand Marti. Fibonacci Sequence, and thousands of contraptions thought up by thousands of gamblers for centuries are all living factual proof that these boneheaded mechanical contraptions are all boloney.

    If yours works you are going to be the shining new boy at the Nobel Prize celebration. Heck, the casinos may drop you in Lake Tahoe with cement galoshes just for old time sakes.

    It's just experience. We have seen wonder boys come along just about every year. and they always self implode.

    And they always stand on their soap boxes and pontificate their great discovery. You are not validated. There is no peer reviewed validation. In view of the past history of wonder boys like yourself you are trying to score validation in an almost zero sum game where the scales are weighted all against you.

    You had better hope you are full of shit. It would be funny if you are right.
     
  5. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Hey poor stupid person. I'm much much higher than average IQ.
    I have the brain power to ignore my personal impairment and still get you to open up and flap your beak with pathetic attempts to pose as a person having achieved a state of normality in a sea of normal. You actually believe that others will like you at least a little since you are not mentally ill. But you are just another sucker faking yourself out with your new found version of casinos as a personal ATM machine.

    I had no fear in sharing my real self. You would probably disintegrate if anyone knew the real you. I knew that jerks are out there and have so much life experience that, like yourself, are just a tad too materialistic to even come close to what in life is really valuable. And knowing that about you from your testimony up above, I'm laughing at what a failure you really are in life.

    This is the very best part. My words are worthless to you, even if others have tried to tell you before.
     
  6. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Now we are getting somewhere. Is that -2,000 units or - $200,000 ?

    You quit at - $2,000 I'll bet.

    This stop loss early in any negative progression has proven that all it does is slow down the expected end results from happening. It's just a delaying tactic.

    What a waist of time this is. Take over the forum. Bore everyone with the thinking capacity and knowledge of OG and past mathematicians have worked it over completely. Blah Blah Blah. Take a break. The dreamers are in town.
     
  7. Jae

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    Are you really done? Nah, you continually contradict yourself and lie about your bullshit.

    I’m not touting a new method. That is obvious, OG was made popular by a man named Oscar who claimed he never lost, and while that’s now a pretty old tale, I can actually believe it. I know he was a craps player, and if he was playing the don’t and bucking up against the house with a really big bankroll, it’s very possible he never lost as he stated. I believe if I was using a 100,000 unit bankroll betting $1 units that I could go my entire life without losing on baccarat. I have a table max of $15,000, I doubt I’d even come close to hitting table max. But I prefer a smaller bankroll and bigger unit sizes, I’ll deal with the losses when they come.

    Betting banker on baccarat with OG + good money management can turn a few thousand into six figures in a few months. It’s not rocket science.

    I know it’s possible, I’ve done it. Several times over. I’ll continue doing it until I’m banned from all the casinos or they change the table limits to something that I wouldn’t be able to utilize.
     
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  8. Jae

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    I rarely agree with you, but sometimes you’re dead on.
     
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  9. Craps

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    All I want to say to everybody is every method or approach can win or lose. In the long run, if your method is hovering around the break even point and you managed to get ahead and win a little like me, then you are winning realistically and had overcame the odds.
    There is no such thing as winning millions with a method. With gambling yes. The whales do and they lost millions too.
    To the casinos EVERY HAND IS INDIVIDUAL, RANDOM and subject to the HOUSE EDGE. To say everything is bound to fail is wrong. To win UNREALISTICALLY with any method is impossible. You can ONLY grind. THE LAW OF BIG NUMBERS HAS PROVEN time and time again since Baccarat is invented. It is this law that prevents people from winning BIG in the long run doing the same thing over and over again.
     
  10. Craps

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    Jae has a legitimate argument provided he is telling the truth and not concealing heavy losses. The reason being very simple. PROBABILITY. Probability comes with a price which is BIG $$$ for SMALL $$$. It is a powerful tool for the players and that is why Casinos are strict with the betting range. You can find groups using this philosophy to battle with the casinos. People using 12 steps Martingale and breaking it up into 3x 4 Marty doing a lot of charting and very little playing. Don't argue. Try it on paper. Lose 4 hands in a row is common. Changing tables, taking breaks and changes strategy and then lose another 4 hands? Replaned and lose another 4 hands? Very rare isn't it. The probability is enormous for this type of approach to fail. Everyone in this forum for the sake of clarity CAN DO THEIR OWN TESTING. If you bet 12 banks every hand, then forget it. 12 P will wipe out and make you lose 4095 units.
    You would think the House doesn't know about this? The commision on B is the problem here. As I have said before Jae's OG is like an 11 step Marty that have not busted yet but the commission on B will stick out like a sore thumb.
     
  11. Punkcity

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    My edit

    This is a quote from the stadium 2019 thread page 3
    Please read the quote.
    This is the cost of doing business it is not unheard of to spend a lot of money to make a modest profit. The important word in that last sentence is PROFIT.
    Over the years I have encountered many people that spew bile about the the commission on bank, even here they bitch about the half price payout in skippy township casino.

    What rot.

    As for Jae and any flat betting person that has posted this forum they all and sundry acknowledge that the commish/ half price is paid , BUT they GRIND on AND recoup or not ( some sessions)

    I haven’t read any post from OG or flat betting practice that add up the total commish paid and LAMENT that fact. On the contrary they accept it as a cost / tax/ payola/ tithe/ bribe/ extortion/ ransom what ever the fuk then they grind on with the particular method they adopted to make a profit. So fuking what I had to turn over a 1/4 million dollars to make $90 plus thousand. It’s a PROFIT.
    So what there is a bank commish component there
    I MADE $90 thousand PROFIT

    I DONT CARE ABOUT THE COMMISSION
    Cheers
     
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  12. judge

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    This shit is better than watching TV.
     
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  13. Nathan Detroit

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    That shit is certainly worth an "OSCAR" .
     
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  14. Craps

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    You are blurring everyone's perception what commission is. You are talking about winning MORE than losing and that of course would take care of the commission. What happens to the House 1.04% edge on B? You really need to school yourself properly on Odds.
    Winning takes care of everything. To say you win running away with a 50/50 game is pulling everybody's leg. That is what I meant by winning unrealistically. Commission means when you break even, you still lose.
     
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  15. Jimske

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    No Craps. It's not just about winning more hands than lose to profit after the vig though that can work. It's about CUMULATIVE win. The winning hands must be at a greater amount than the losers.

    Here. Bet 1 unit and lose. -1 now bet 2 units on B and win. Well, look at that! If you have trouble doing the math let me know. LOL
     
  16. Craps

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    Let us look at the BIG PICTURE. With all the gambler's edge and discipline we might tilt the odds to our favor from 0.1 to 1.0 percent in the long run BUT the House edge being the less probability of P occurrence and the commission on B actually gives the House OVER 1.0 %.
    This is the sole reason why a long progression is hard to implement unless you offer the House more Odds
    The 12th step Martingale itself with wager of 2048 units if on Banker would require the bettor to win 102 more times with his normal units.
    The OG player with a big drawdown on B only is even more. The good part is OG has a better chance of a longer grind.
     
  17. Craps

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    You only talked about the win. When you explain odds, you have to even things out meaning you lose the higher wager equal # of times with winning.
     
  18. Craps

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    When the LAW says ODDS don't change means what ever progression or non-progression play be it the wagering part (high or low) or the probability part ( % to win )
    You guys are just going round and round in circles dwelling with each individual item.
     
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  19. Jimske

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    Right but the whole concept of a negative progression is just that . . .to win more on the winning wagers. After deep losses regression to the mean will bring you back with wins the game "owes" you.
     
  20. Myrtlejones

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    If there is not a proper bet selection then you will not win, over and over i hear the same thing and low and behold Jae has a bet selection(BANKER) this makes no sense so why are we talking about it, like i said there is no math to this system so move on
     

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