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Baccarat Playing (and Winning) Baccarat Over The Long Term

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by gr8player, May 18, 2021.

  1. gr8player

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    Perfect, Jimske...you, quite obviously, get the point.
     
  2. gr8player

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    On the other hand, Craps, it appears that you're a bit off the mark here with your response to my clarification. Let's try that again:

    My "over the 50%" strike rates IS based solely on win frequencies. It has nothing to do with bet size.

    My bet sizes are adjusted only as my variance drifts in an abnormally steep direction, either up (good) or down (bad). I'll adjust my bet sizes accordingly into my next session...most usually all done in the name of "recoup" after a losing session. Sidenote: Actually, most often, I would prefer to delay any adjustment in bet size until I've endured two consecutive (or two-out-of-three) difficult sessions.
     
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  3. gizmotron

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    I always knew you were a smart player. Losing or bad sessions can sometimes come back to back. The badness doesn't end until it ends. I just watch for it to really end.

    It clearly tells me that you set out to win your sessions. Only experienced players do this.
     
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  4. CT70

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    I like that, 2 out of 3 before making any adjustments in bet size makes sense.
     
  5. gizmotron

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    People just don't get how easy it is to play to win. You don't need to keep charts. You can just guess and place bets on every hand or spin. if you are in a positive phase, more wins than losses, then you bet the big price. When you are in a more losing bets than winning phase you bet a very small value.

    I use trends because I can see a trend at the same time that the good phase is occurring. So I stick with the meaningless trends while they stay in the good for me phase. As soon as the trends go into a losing phase I pull back the bets until it changes back to good. The trends are just a bet selection method. They are meaningless and have no ability to predict the future. All they do is indicate the current conditions.

    I have never been able to make that understood to the mathZombies. They want it to be that I'm claiming magical thinking and therefore am full of crap. But it is they that are full of crap because they have so much wax in their ears that it has become comical. They are incapable of seeing that useless figure formations can be used to make meaningless bet selections in order to see the times that it appears that they are working, total coincidence. So when they say "past spins or hands can't predict future events," then I just have to agree with them. Also, mathZombies in Spandex suits wearing masks to disguise their true identities does not make them smart. I have always had nothing but contempt for them because they are incapable of listening. You watch. None of them can see or hear it even now. They are fully biased and can only see what they want to see.
     
  6. gizmotron

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    It makes excellent sense. Make sure that you are fully out of the down phase before starting a recovery session or portion of a session. It's so easy if you are focused on how the session is going.
     
  7. Jae

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    You’re right, the math is pretty useless, might not even be real. It’s pretty tiring hearing people balk at you with bull shit like math, where they think they can prove things that will destroy your hopes and dreams. Personally, I plan on finding the edge of the flat earth and building a theme park. These idiots telling me the earth isn’t flat don’t understand shit. I can most definitely see what’s in front of me, and it’s flat.
     
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  8. CT70

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  9. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I had to come to the conclusion that you and your team could have amassed $800,000+ in the past whatever time you say you guys did it. I put the sim together. I tested it. The results show that it's possible. That ended my criticism of using the OG in combination with factoring in "Return To the Mean" concepts or strategies. My gut instincts tell me that mechanical systems don't work in the long run, that's decades of research. But your system, like I already said, is the best one I ever researched. You are to be congratulated as far as I'm concerned.
     
  10. Craps

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    The difference in opinion and reasoning of your explanation is you are like most gamblers who based their success on Timing the WHEN and fallacy based BS. Don't get me wrong for I too based my BS on fallacy thinking. What else can we do? The point is IF you can achieve what you say you can achieve without ANY Math based reasoning, then Baccarat is vulnerable. All one has to do is go about a strict Gambler's Edge regimen and rely on Luck to beat the House. This is according to your findings which includes sitting out hands and timing your bets and have your know how to BS
    Compare to my findings which is more inferior than yours, I have to rely heavily on probability to get things done. I need the Law of Big numbers to not play a trick on me too. I never for once think I can have a +50% win rate frequency wise with my BS and that is why I need a strong progression like a 5 Marty with a 97% strike rate. Many times after I made my 8 units and I looked back at the 40 hands BS and most of the times it dip below 50%. Many times my bust happens as a result of a 5 hand block of BS which went out of its way against the tremendous probability of repeating.
    What I am trying to say is I have solid reasons for my success or failures but you are just like so many others describing your successes with SKILL.
    I let the people to be the Judge here. Nice to know Skill can win over Math.
    About Jae and his OG., the success actually lies in the Bankroll and the Law of Big Numbers which gives him tremendous Probability of P overwhelming B without B making a comeback. At least there is some Math based reasoning here. Again the important thing is when the day comes for that 2000 unit to be not able to withstand, can the winnings make up the difference or maybe another added 3000 unit might do the trick.
     
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  11. Punkcity

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    Lol

    Nope you are wrong.
    Nope because you cannot do it does not mean that it cannot be done.
    You really missed everything, are you sure you are a dealer , I know you struggle as a player.
    Have been away ,busy at the moment , so just catch up on threads. I will address some of the dross this thread as it needs a clear view. Cheers
     
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  12. Craps

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    Since when did I say I cannot do over 50% means other people cannot do over 50%. I repeated a couple of times that I can only ENVY you for able to win by just flat betting. The ONLY thing I kept saying and repeating is you guys can't explain your achievements with good and sound reasons and that is where people can label you as a fraud and you can't blame them for it.
     
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    All you can explain is TRENDS, TRENDS and TRENDS. This is what everyone is looking at. Why the casinos go out of their way to make reading trends a convenience to you. Phases of win loss is also some form of trends. I call it the LUCK trend.
    I only welcome the different ideas of reading trends because this subject is so vast and certain trends are view as common for all where others are personal interpretations or preferences. To say trends are the main ingredient of your above 50% strike rate is like saying I am lucky playing Baccarat. This is one element that the casino surrenders to you and all they can do is to enforce a maximum bet but the Math of the game will tell you that you better by lucky to a certain level otherwise, the House Edge will get you.
     
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  14. Craps

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    Trends are good for making decisions for BS. THAT IS ALL TO IT. Nobody can change the odds by reading trends. It is good to exchange ideas how to read trends because people like the KNOW HOW to a DECISION instead of just guessing or coin flip or random generator or even a Baccarat predictor program. Only tweaking of the Math part to get probability by accepting a smaller payout is TRUE and not FALLACY. The concentration should be on how to MANAGE your $$$ when the losses comes. The wins are there because of probability. If you keep dwelling on BS, you are not winning IMO.
     

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    Lol 5D53B959-9D83-4E4C-8228-D034280655D8.png D12FD77A-AA3A-4614-88D6-6FFF77546295.png ok as an example, you say 50+% is not able to be done, let’s keep it simple for those that are slow.
    Not every game/session is or has to be 50+% this is the problem you have in understanding. You ....being the generic you as per usual. Seem to not understand that sometimes you don’t as per screen shot of my casino dragon account always get the 50+% results but you do often get the high 60+ to 80+% results that actually offset the 37, 0% results therefore bring you average above 50+% FLAT BETTING.
    What’s so hard to understand?
    Yes each game may not be 50+% but enough of them are to give you a lifestyle.
    I can post the May , April, March, February from that account no problem.
    My actual strike rate on that account is 51: something % deduct the daily $4 or $5 thousand bonus and the $90k start up from the standing account of $1:4 million yes you ( generic you ) are full of shit for not understanding that it is possible. Cheers
     
  16. Craps

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    Read again please. I said I can't but did not say you can't . I can only Envy. Now that you can, help others. Otherwise why are you here> Contribute your winning know how. I did mine.
     
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    Lol
     
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    This was the quote I wanted lol.
    You have not posted your winning know how , as you don’t have one , seriously a Marty on banker that costs commission lol. Winning know how lol.
    I have posted it here this forum.
    Why would I elaborate ? As I posted before we need people like you that are dealers, degen gamblers, Marty player that “we should be allowed to bet on whatever we want” I can get the poster actual quote if needed. The try every thing new under the sun for a game or two then switch to something equally inane, you know the posts, lol
    Why waste my time trying to explain a simple thing when generic you cannot understand diddley squat anyway? You cannot get over your own egos for one, you can’t suspend your own degen ways to be open to any possible better way. Lol is what I say to your posts lol.
    No you stick to to your day job , let those that agree with you continue to put their money into the casino coffers (keep you employed) by listening to the pap and dross posted by you and yours. What me give you a free pass ? You would squander it at the first bet. Lol. Cheers
     
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    Read it again, you said you can’t.
    You have repeatedly post I’m lying or I cannot. Lol. Flip flop we wear on our feet here in skippy island in summer as the beach sand is hot . Cheers
     
  20. Craps

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    I kept trying to get your method so that it can benefit me but all I read is boasting about wins and documents about winnings . I once mentioned Luck and you brush that aside too. If you have a method or approach, share it like me. Otherwise you are directly labeling yourself a fraud.
    Why I did not call Jae a fraud? He spill out everything on how he wins just like me.
     
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