Baccarat Proof that Jae's OG System is Validated

I know what is going on. Some of you think that this is a "classic" baloney festival.

 

OK, added a single session button just so everyone can verify the telemetry of a single session:

Code:

1 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Player @ 100 bet
2 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
3 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
4 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Player @ 100 bet
5 hands, Virtual bets total = -200 -- Player @ 100 bet
6 hands, Virtual bets total = -300 -- Player @ 100 bet
7 hands, Virtual bets total = -200 -- Banker @ 100 bet
8 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
9 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
10 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
11 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
12 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
13 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
14 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
15 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
16 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
17 hands, Virtual bets total = 100 -- Banker @ 100 bet
18 hands, Virtual bets total = 0 -- Player @ 100 bet
19 hands, Virtual bets total = -100 -- Player @ 100 bet
20 hands, Virtual bets total = -200 -- Player @ 100 bet
21 hands, Virtual bets total = -300 -- Player @ 100 bet
22 hands, Virtual bets total = -200 -- Banker @ 100 bet
23 hands, Virtual bets total = -400 -- Player @ 200 bet
24 hands, Virtual bets total = -600 -- Player @ 200 bet
25 hands, Virtual bets total = -800 -- Player @ 200 bet
26 hands, Virtual bets total = -1000 -- Player @ 200 bet
27 hands, Virtual bets total = -1200 -- Player @ 200 bet
28 hands, Virtual bets total = -1100 -- Banker @ 200 bet
29 hands, Virtual bets total = -1400 -- Player @ 300 bet
30 hands, Virtual bets total = -1700 -- Player @ 300 bet
31 hands, Virtual bets total = -2000 -- Player @ 300 bet
32 hands, Real bets total = 300 -- Vig so far = 15 -- Banker @ 300 bet
33 hands, Real bets total = -100 -- Vig so far = 15 -- Player @ 400 bet
34 hands, Real bets total = 300 -- Vig so far = 35 -- Banker @ 400 bet
35 hands, Real bets total = 800 -- Vig so far = 60 -- Banker @ 500 bet
36 hands, Real bets total = 1400 -- Vig so far = 90 -- Banker @ 600 bet
37 hands, Real bets total = 2100 -- Vig so far = 125 -- Banker @ 700 bet

 

Can you simulate with banker win of multiples of 95 instead of 100 so that vig is taken in the simultion?

 

I have the Vig being figured. It's shown only during real bets. It shows a running total for it on each line of real bets. I just have to take it out. I was more concerned about getting it to reset at +1 ($100). So the App is a little quirky around zero and +1 during Virtual Bets. But it really settles down once minus values start to build up on its way to -20.

Yes, I will throw in Vig being taken out. I'm less fried in the head now that I have reset mostly working like it should.

 

Wow, what a difference that makes.

Here are 20 more 100 sessions tested:

Code:

19875
16285
29635
-15885
-6270
-5490
12895
-4390
7295
-32395
-10680
6600
-11995
-17905
2470
-23340
-12470
-16645
8885
-49155
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-$102,680

I will go back and check the algorithm for taking out Vig.

 

Ok Giz you got me going, anyone that goes through what you do for results is great stuff, are you totally on the straight with your results, way way back knew players that did this, not sure if the trigger was what Jae has but seen some do well and others fail but you are making this interesting

 

So Mark, you’ve been charging unknown amounts of people thousands of dollars over the years to “teach” them your guaranteed-to-win reading randomness method, and yet you’re excited like a little girl about a simple oscar’s grind?

Awesome, so the next step is that you’re going to refund those “students” the money they wasted on your RR program now that you’ve confirmed that your method has no value, correct?

Sweet, good on you man, right thing to do.

 

I haven’t had time to read your posts from today, just skimmed them. I’m kind of swarmed with emails that I need to reply to as well, a few of them telling me I should try and have all of my posts deleted.

I wanted to take a moment to explain why I’m here responding to all of this in the first place.

I’ve never needed anyone to validate my claims, I’ve already done all of the work that I’ve needed to do, I’ve already utilized the method and will continue doing so. No amount of allegations against me or claims that this doesn’t work have zero effect on me because like I’ve said and like I’ll continue to say, it does and it has.

Whenever gizmo started this thread, I rolled my eyes and tried to speculate what he would come up with to try and discredit it. Of course, whatever I speculate about what his final thoughts on it would be are mute; because again, no matter someone else’s outcome, I know that it works for me.

Ultimately, if someone attaches my name to their studies, I feel compelled to be there part of the way to make sure they aren’t coming to a biased conclusion from error.

And I feel like I need to be part of that process to instill confidence in anyone who is currently using my approach. I want to reiterate what I’ve been saying all along, I believe this method works, it is not perfect and even my advisements on bankroll are not perfect. You can and most likely will lose at some point, but again, I believe you will win more than you will lose.

 

Most would fail regardless of what’s posted, because the focus, discipline, and mental fortitude needed to make your method work Jae is beyond what the typical system player is capable of.

It’s why a team is the best application, because a solo player would get deeply over their head in a session, panic, and revert back to their own base tendencies of play style the vast majority of the time.

Or worse, they’d attempt it without at least a 1000u bankroll playing 1u bets, fail earlier than probability suggests due to poor luck, then chase it incorrectly and fail again.

It’s commendable what you’re doing, and I’d never tell you to delete anything, but the reality is that it’s a little too tough for the audience to apply.

 

The Vig total look too high.

Code:

-17520
29955
21315
13885
11535
-61245
-8480
11785
11680
-16590
-2995
-14240
28360
-51550
-3285
-7610
-54670
15790
-78825
4165
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-$168,540

 

Now that the Vig is coming out, it's a worthless system anyway.

One thing though. I must do a hand count of the 100 session's Vig total and compare that to the algorithm total for each 100 session trial.

Again. That is why I put telemetry in an app. It allows me to check all the values for any mistakes.

 

OG feels like OG in the initial stages. A conservative grind that gives a less wins than losses in frequency wise but still erk out a unit. But when things go bad and the wagers become higher and higher ,OG is really not OG anymore. The grind is gone. It's hard core gambling chasing B to recoup losses. At that juncture, winning 21 units is completely forgotten. Just imagine when you need to bet 25-30 units a hand when your goal is to win 21 units. That goes for all other negative systems.
Is it possible to have a bankroll of 500 and take the bust and see whether there is enough 21 units win to cover. I tried your method testing with my records and I am impressed with the many wins accumulated. The only difference is I tried it with my ' fail safe' mechanical bet selection where I found less long streak of losses in a row.

 

Giz, is it possible to use your program to test whether betting every hand on B minus the Vig with all the drawdowns? This will gave Jae's OG a clearer picture. No OG. Just flat bet

 

Actually I had two schools with about 10 to 15 people in each school. The first few students paid about $200 each. After a while half of them got in for around $50 or less. They went on for a few months each.

Then I taught one person two hours per day for two months straight. That's 120 hours one on one instructions for $1,000 total. In all that I made maybe $3,000 for six months work. Not exactly a living wage. Next, after waiting one year, I wrote the Reading randomness thread and gave away the practice software for free. At no time was RR ever "guaranteed-to-win." You can't make an asshole do the work needed to gain the skills needed to perfect it as demonstrated so clearly by you.

If you notice once the Vig comes out this OG method it is completely worthless. As far as excitement goes I would love to do some training on you. This safe behind your computer crap is too easy.

 

doing it now.

 

This is what it should look like. Still off in your code.


P -100/100

B 0/100

P -100/100

P -200/100

P -300/100

P -400/100

B -300/200

B -100/200

P -300/200

B -100/200

P -300/200

B -100/200

B +100

B +100

P -100/100

P -200/100

P -300/100

P -400/100

B -300/200

P -500/200

P -700/200

P -900/200

P -1100/200

B -900/300

P -1200/300

P -1500/300

P -1800/300

 

It's done but needs to be checked for correctness. The Vig seems high. All I have to do is add up the vig from a single 100 session test. It's right there on the screen in my app.

 

You’re really back and forth on your conclusions.

For anyone that might be following what you are trying to do, it might be best to slow down. Double or triple check yourself before posting. And at the very least, properly program it before running a simulation and coming back to say it’s either won or lost.

I know that you aren’t a patient guy, and that’s a pretty necessary trait in a gambler if you want to win, but I have to give you my own personal criticisms:

ive tried being very supportive of your endeavor here. But you just keep jumping in the water and continue posting inaccurate information. I mean, you started programming it before you even knew how it worked. Then it’s been a slow learning experience for you along the way, but you’ve been in a hurry to credit or discredit it. You set out to do the leg work. Do it, this was your choice. Nobody else’s, you owe it to yourself to do it properly. Take your time if you must, practice the method on paper, understand the method before trying to code it. Every time you make a comment on your thoughts about it, they are purely biased from error. You have not properly simulated this yet. I’m still here if you have questions and I’m really trying to be supportive through this, but you’re being sloppy and impatient. You can do better than this gizmo.

 

The vig isn’t the issue right now. Trust me, you aren’t going from $300,000+ profit tests to -$100,000 because of 5% commission. But I can tell you that your lines aren’t quite right yet. Just that example I showed you is off by 200.

being off 200 might not sound like a big deal, but in 20 lines when you are running thousands of simulations, it is.

 

Jae, I don't care if the virtual bets are off. Your example of what it should be still tries to get to -20 (-2,000). It's off because of all those resets to +1 ($100). It is then after virtual bets at -20 that the real stuff starts. I also think that the reset process on the last line of the virtual bets is totally bogus and subjective. It's coincidental if it lowers the start value for bets once the real bets start.

I have just a little bit to add up using arithmetic and a pen and paper. I just want to make sure that the Vig is adding the correct amounts.

It was fun. There were some exciting moments. You already guarded yourself for the results and don't give a crap. I don't give a crap either.

Buy all means use it. Get a million. Good for you.