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Roulette Ramblings of the Inept for the Misfits

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. Smitridel

    Smitridel Active Member

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    Taking this chance here to say how much I enjoy your tables.
    Really, I use same logic in sets (although American Wheel) .

    Do you have them somewhere on Excel or do you type them in manually? I'd really like to get my hands on it if you would send it me (Im uselless in excel programming).

    Also how are you betting Zero? As a repeater in mind?
    And last but not least: Did you bet the hotest with positive progression or negative one (1-5-25?)?
     
  2. Bago

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    You guys are already using an aggressive progression because you realized after so few spins tested that the magic number in the set can be a sleeper, it does not hit better than 1/37 of course, otherwise just go to the high rollers table and flat bet 5000$ on your number, no need to make a progression clowns.
     
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  3. Ka2

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    Here a picture perhaps that will shed some light on things.

    This is the test I did with 30.000 spins all with the same instructions that naughty but nice did.

    In total there were 432 races. All was flat betting...


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    As you can see, things looked very promising indeed, and then it tanked. This is what I mean by testing rigorously. With all RESPECT naughty but nice how many races did you do?
     
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  4. Bago

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    This sucker will tell you he won't play so many spins in his life, which is absolutely true, but it does not mean he won't face the sessions where the HolyGrail loses big time, the first day playing it. That's why serious testing is done over a big amount of played spins, not against hundreds of spins like Naughty and Turbo are used to.
     
  5. gizmotron

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    I need to prove reading randomness works with an AI sim. I'll be the validation with a working algorithm. Oh what a pain in the ass.
     
  6. Smitridel

    Smitridel Active Member

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    And if you kept testing another 15.000 probably the chart go up again.
    Timing is everything.
    Knowing when to exit.

    Plus naughty already said that he uses a negative progression to save himself the time from drawdown.
     
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  7. Ka2

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    And what if it goes further down? And if I take the average of all the data where the horses cross the finish line (from the 30.000 spin test). The end result is 1 in 36.78.

    So my question if the data in the end is the same a just picking 4 numbers, then what makes it difference? And I dont mean this disrespectfull!
     

  8. Smitridel

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    I dont think it goes further down due to variance. It needs to come back up again because your cold numbers (even these ones that slept for 32 spins and gave you that downward line) are becoming hotter and hotter.
    Flunctuation is variance.
    Riding a wave also is variance.

    ka2 what is your definition of a loss?
    I mean in what Time Frame?
    You wont play 432 sessions continuously thats for sure.

    Lets say in reallistic conditions that you played up to a point and won, withdrew your earnings and left.
    Lets say also that you started your session badly going to negative territory from the start (like Bago said) and you managed to get to even (or even more?).

    Even in freaking repeaters TG applied positive progression to make up for long waiting numbers and deflect negative drawdown.

    After reading all these threads in various fora (forums), the concept of a winning system is of a philosofical nature and not of a mathematical one |
    and knowing when to stop.

    At least that is my point of view.
     
  9. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Didn’t someone say bet every spin? Use a progression?

    The question is how fast should the progression be?

    Should it be 1-2-3-5-10-15-25-50-75; etc.; etc.

    Or be 1-5-25?

    Remember Dr Sir anyone; there’s 1 pocket to0 many!
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    Was there 1 pocket to0 many? If I was using the race method 2 have completed; but look how many are competing.

    Oh yeah not enough spins; who said that.

    Another member says there’s always a bet!
     
  10. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    I’ll stop here as info; and info from Dr S on 10’330 spins shows 34 non-hit is the usual for 185 spins

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    As we are at 34 for 83 spins; how many of the cheap hit once will hit costing units, or worst still a non-hit hit and cost big time. But then a number sleeps for hundreds of spins. Does it?
     
  11. Smitridel

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    So apart from switching tactics (you bet on hot repeater) you used negative progresion on your sleepers and they came through?
     
  12. Bitrock06

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    My POV. TG bets between one and 4 numbers. He only uses progressions when his pattern is getting closer and closer... Since he may not know exactly when his pattern will hit but knows the ballpark area, he can begin his positive progressions once he sees the pattern about to finish.

    Once he has chosen a new number he is creating a brand new race.

    He is also only writing on a tiny note pad.. I think.
     
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  13. Naughty but nice

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    What prog? over 40 spins they usually repeat 1-3-5-7
    18 spins; how many repeats?
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Turbo bet every spin?
     

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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Whats the score for repeat, remember 1-3-5-7
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    So here is the cycle; still profit. How many non-hit have hit?
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    Has the leader finished? what's hot?
    Not enough spins.
     
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  17. Smitridel

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    Ok you're really not making any sense (to me at least).
    A bit explanation aside from charts and single-wordly sentences usually with questionmark would be much preffered.

    You bet 18 spins with the first number?
    You bet 18 spins with the 26 that was hotter?
     
  18. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Look 39 spins; at 40 there's usually 16 repeats. 1-3-5-7=16 we've had 17 so non-hit are slow.
    Have you read GUT
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    There's enough profit to place the 40th bet and still make a profit.
    Find Turbo's riddles on bet every spin
     
  19. Naughty but nice

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    So a non-hit; but still in front. The horse race still not finished
     
  20. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Zero; the hare in the dog race, LOL
     

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