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Roulette Ramblings of the Inept for the Misfits

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'm not.
    You can see it in politics and celebrities all the time.
    If you can't produce anything of value on your own because you aren't capable of doing it -
    you're other option is to attack the leader for attention. One way is through praise and another
    is through attacks. This (removed by me) person just decided to attack in order to get attention.
    A better way to become relevant is to actually post and help others - but when the best you can
    pull from your purse is "Bet red when you see black/red/black/red/black happen" there isn't much
    you can do. (and if it's black - oops - wait for the next "trend" and try again).
    With that gem hiding in clear sight - I'm amazed there is 1 casino left in operation in the world.
    I'm heading there now because I'm so excited. I wonder if I can find a r/b/r/b trend at any of
    my locals ? It's rare but I'll keep an eye out since we all know red is the winner.

    You cared enough to post it originally - and you cared enough to reply to it.
    Annnnnnd it was you who started it with your nonsense insult towards me.
    Strange how that works right ? I'm minding my own business, you attack me, I reply -
    and now I'm a jerk. lol. It's almost.... typical.
     
  2. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I would "suggest" using as much of the table (available numbers) as possible so that the sets you pick
    cover as many numbers as possible. I would also suggest not having the same number(s) in multiple sets.
    You could (and it's safe to) exclude the 0 (or 0,00) since it makes almost no difference to this style of play -
    and then take the remaining 36 to makes your sets.
    Longer sets equal longer pauses between adding new numbers to your play list but it more reliable.
    I got up to playing 4 numbers in my live play and then all 4 did appear, and in the end ALL predicted
    numbers appeared below the math expected of 1:38 and better than the payout of 35:1.
    I did leave with a number left to appear but it didn't matter, there was enough profit to not have to
    even depend on it showing up.
     
  3. Smitridel

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    You're probably talking about sector betting as some members also proposed as well as B/R/O/E/L/H groups (which is the only way the other thread with the 14 36s makes sense).

    Have you tried it with RNG or is it live exclusive?
     
  4. John Blerg

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    Thank you turbo I sincerely thank you!!! you replenish my bankroll from me following somebody else on this board and you are truly a genius in every aspect thank you again don't pay any attention to the f****** dipshitz
     
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  5. Smitridel

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    Also can everyone for once just once stop with the insults that raise hitback answers and more hitback replies and just get along with the flow or just brainstorm?

    That said I think there is something of merit in the BROELH patterns that as soon as they align (which is not often) you can bet up to 4 numbers and have a hit everytime they align.
     
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    Turbo i have question for you.

    Did you learn your knowledge from the member gizmotron??
     
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    Turbo, when you say you suggest not to have the same number in multiple sets would this be an example of a bad list..(from Random.org)

    • 6, 14, 27, 3, 18, 31, 12
    • 35, 11, 31, 17, 22, 16, 14
    • 4, 30, 13, 18, 3, 5, 14
    • 35, 33, 13, 2, 36, 9, 6
    • 31, 12, 13, 25, 32, 21, 33
    • 30, 32, 25, 13, 10, 31, 21
    • 19, 27, 18, 9, 36, 35, 17
    • 33, 10, 19, 18, 25, 7, 24
    • 6, 25, 26, 9, 35, 34, 16
    • 2, 16, 32, 21, 31, 15, 34

    In this case number 35 is in 4 different sets, 14 and 13 are in 3 sets. In regards to longer sets being more reliable are you referring to the length of each one e.g. 7 #s per set or how many different sets like in your example a list of 10
     

  8. Bago

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    Turbo, your previous HolyGrail consisted in betting on repeaters, you showed RX graphs with climbing curves of supposed real play in Atlantic City.
    Now you are doing the same, another HolyGrail, based on betting the only remaining number of a set, but in your example n°28 was a cold number that didn't hit before.
    I am lost 'cause you always pretended that "we don't lose money betting on numbers that never appear/are long term sleepers", but you do now.
    "for a number to show twice, it had to show once...". 13 numbers on average will perform better than their statistical mean etc..."
     
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  9. TurboGenius

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    You simply haven't comprehended what I've said.
    Every post/idea I put out is based on the same thing.
    It is the foundation and it never has changed.
    You can make whatever style of house that you want on the same foundation,
    each house will appear different but they will all be based on the same thing.

    For example - the "hottest" of something being bet on is absolutely no different
    with the horse race analogy. I am predicting what number(s) will appear based on
    the hottest horse. See ? It's the exact same foundation with a simplified approach.

    There are indeed long term sleepers that should never be bet on. It's an entire different
    thing from this.
    I'm taking the SET of numbers as a single thing (you can do that you know...).
    The set/horse that is leading the race will complete the race before the others.
    Hence you can predict specific numbers to complete that "hottest set" and win.
    As you'll see, there is no contradiction here at all - it is simply a different looking
    house built on the exact same winning foundation.

    Can there be multiple "Holy Grails" ? Of course there can - but under all of the different
    styles of play there will be one basic fundamental that is what makes them all perform
    as they do - the only differences are how you choose to build the house.
    Hope that clears things up.
     
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  10. Smitridel

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    This method if we take into account the horse analogy relies on hot or lets say better performing sectors or groups that he uses. The big question and one Im searching myself is the group formation as Ive already asked in previous posts.

    EDIT: I see that he already replied verifying the above lol
     
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    Turbo i am curious did you take the school and pay gizmotron to learn what you know??

    as he had advertised I'm curious thank you.
     
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    I do have a sincere question and please answer this one (I've asked a lot none got replied I must be getting close :p)

    Why change sets after bet 1?
    Why not wait around for all at least the other one or two best performing?
    Im asking because at first tests I waited at least 3 of them completed and then ended the session with finite results (altough sometimes it took longer).

    Is it faster to reach your win-goal if you create a new session and that is why you create a-new?
     
  13. TurboGenius

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    As I've said over and over - you can't win at this game unless 1 thing happens..
    You need to play/predict outcomes at a better rate than the house payout (35:1 for example).
    There is only 1 way to do this as the foundation.
    You have to take the information that you have available and make a prediction based on
    what information you KNOW. It's a simple concept but it escapes most people who try to win
    or formulate their own systems/methods.

    I've always said - make a list of what you KNOW will happen / and what you KNOW won't happen.
    Act accordingly.

    It isn't hard at all. It's logic. Even the anti-Turbo crowd would agree, even the people who test
    a million spins agree.. we all agree ironically, yet only a very few take that logic and use it to win.

    For example Bago - I could say "All 3 numbers in a street will appear"
    Logical ? Of course... it HAS to happen (which street ? when ????? wasn't the question).
    So you say "yes, at some point all 3 numbers in a street will appear"
    I simply say - if one street has 2 numbers that have already appeared - while the other 11
    streets have 1 appearance or 0 appearances - isn't it simple logic to bet that the third
    in this 2 hit street will win ?
    Of course.
    Does it mean it will ? No. But will it very often ? Yes.
    A street with 0 wins might speed right past and get all 3 to show before the one with only 1
    left ? Yes of course.

    Chart this, test it - you'll be amazed.... the first one to get 2 hits on it will very often be the
    one that completes first...
    So logically you can predict a future outcome this way based on past spins.

    Now it won't always work of course - that's only a 3 step pattern being completed.
    So use 4, use 5, use 6 or more..
    You'll see the reliability of your predictions increase, along with the amount of time it takes
    to begin play on a numbers (a drawback of being more accurate unfortunately).

    If you want to argue that it isn't correct - you can test what I already posted when it comes
    to a 1 step pattern (no different... only with 1 step it has a less likelihood of being right while
    there is no delay in betting).

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    I have saved you the time and effort.
    On a single step pattern, you will have a winning horse on the 1.03th spin (how nice, yet
    unpredictable) - the second place horse comes in at expected (1:3) and the last horse
    will come in well beyond anything that you could profit from (hence, never play cold
    numbers and sleepers).

    Now in a 1 step pattern you can't win - the more steps in the pattern (the chart will
    look EXACTLY the same no matter how many steps you use)... the more reliable the
    prediction will be - logic and obvious. Random is predictable, but only if you can look
    past a 1 spin game and understand that each spin is independent and grouped together
    these spins make exploitable patterns.
    Have a nice day.
     
  14. TurboGenius

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    A lot of that depends on how many steps you choose to use for your sets.
    If you have (for example) 12 competing sets - you could bet probably up to 3 of the 12
    but only once they are at the "finish line" and ready to win.
    If you test the size of the sets used vs which set wins first (which horse wins the race the most)
    I can make this in another post if someone wants me to but it will take me some time.
    Just note the amount of steps in your pattern / the number of patterns you have competing at once
    and which one wins the race.. You can compare and see that longer sets are more reliable but are slower.
    I used shorter sets and kept doing a new tracking once I had a contender because I wanted to have
    1-4 numbers being bet on - most of the time it was 1 since the others kept winning.
    My average was around 2 numbers played.
    (which is supposedly impossible, I should have lost......so they say.)
     

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    The horse race analogy is the best thing I've created to explain how random works.
    I'll recap it again even though people will argue that if doesn't fit and you need to use
    an ounce of imagination to understand it.

    3 horses running RANDOMLY down a track (meaning then will randomly step, randomly not step etc)
    will always produce a predictable pattern when the race is over.
    One horse will win before "expected", the second will finish at "expected" and the third will finish
    far after the race is over lol. That's WHY it's random.
    The simple 1 step race shows this in the chart I just posted.
    You could make it 12 steps, it doesn't matter how long you make the track - one horse WILL win.
    Now in roulette we can pick (EVERY SPIN) where to bet. You aren't locked in.
    If one horse is 1 step away from winning, the next horse back is 4 steps back and the last horse
    is still at the starting gate - and..... YOU can bet on every spin which horse to back....
    You would have to be completely illogical in your thinking to NOT bet the horse that is
    1 step away with all of the knowledge you have from watching the race.
    And yes it might stop there and not cross first.... run tests and you'll see how this plays out.

    "Horses don't run randomly" (no kidding).
    Patterns DO form out of random outcomes though. A pattern completing before the others
    is simple to understand and simple to play.
     
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    TG does it matter of you create sets from Random.org and bring them to a table or do you always suggest create sets from the wheel as they appear?
     
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    I usually test with 6 sets. Zero I exclude.
    Or 9.

    Usually when you have the first "leader" a few spins later another one comes from the preexisting sets or in my tests that is the case. Thus I cant see the need to make new sets.

    Is this the wrong way?
    I dont know.
    It keeps winning though.
     
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    In this chart I'm showing 12 sets of 3 random numbers each...
    (don't use sets of 3, it is too small)

    I note the order in which they qualify (1 left to show so being bet on)
    And I note what order they come it as (cross the finish line)
    The nay sayers can say all day this is random but it clearly isn't.
    As a matter of fact - for 12 sets of only 3 numbers to complete -
    You never lost betting the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th to qualify (5th through 12th to qualify don't on average
    win at a higher rate than the house payout ratio - 1-4 though all won and in time to make profit.
    The avg line is the average for what qualified "horse" won first, second, etc on average.
    It goes with only 10 sample run from 3.6 up to 9.5
    "Random" or "It doesn't matter which order you pick" nonsense means these values
    would all be around equal which they aren't.
    Will they admit that you can pick better than "random" outcomes using "just any numbers ?"
    No, they won't.

    I have to admit - run #8 was most interesting.
    The 7th qualified "horse" won the race - and the 2nd (would have been played) came in
    next - in time, below the amount of spins needed to beat the house payout.
    Shame the misfits won't learn this stuff.

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    Using sets of 4 numbers instead of three would have meant more "blue" winning boxes to the left where we want them all to be of course.
    5,6,7 even better and better. Perhaps I'll chart those two to show how it compares.
     
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    Thanks for charting Turbo and thanks for linking a picture to the whole "hot" sectors come first.
    I've messed around with RX and below are two charts (nothing spectacular just 33% profit).

    In the first chart (FRESH SETS) I created new sets (per Turbos instructions in this thread) after each qualifier and picked them as they appeared, making new sets on the go.
    4 qualifiers - 4 winners.

    The second Chart (SAME SETS) I didnt make new sets after the first qualifier came and kept them along, betting on each one as soon there was 1 left on each.
    4 qualifiers - 4 winners.


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    The main difference is the time spent.
    112 spins spent on SAME SETS.
    96 spins on Fresh Sets.

    Just getting this out here in relevance to something that I asked Turbo above.
     
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