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Roulette Random explained - somewhat

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Apr 13, 2017.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Random rarely ever equals "equality".

    So for example - if we take 1000 spins - without "random" we could have 500 reds and 500 blacks (not accounting for the zero/00 of course for simplicity.
    With random however - we have a tiny slight chance of it being 500 and 500 but most of the time it won't be. Much like 38 repeats of the same number - the "math guys" will point to some small number/chance and say "it's possible". It's incredibly unlikely. So we can avoid the idea that using anything "random" will end in equality.
    It also doesn't mean that there is some push towards equality - this seems to be common with systems that don't work - because there were more reds than blacks, somehow there will now be more blacks
    to try to catch up to reds. This doesn't happen. These types of systems always fail.
    Random does however keep itself contained - you won't have 10 times the number of reds than you do blacks. Random has limits and over time you can calculate these as well. We can look at standard deviations and see that a number might be +4 std but it won't stay there - there's not equality with other numbers, but there is some type of balance or boundaries that random stays within. I always think of this as a rubber band around the results - it can stretch but it's held within a specific range because of random.

    To hit on bets for a minute as well - I rarely see people playing the even money bets or the dozens/columns or streets/lines and that's good (in my opinion).
    Think about it this way - even if you could have close to 500 red and 500 blacks - when you look at individual numbers you'll see there is nothing of the sort going on there. As I posted in the other thread - you won't see each number hit 3 times exactly in 3 cycles of spins. This is a sign right away that things not being equal is the door to winning. Just knowing this along should steer people away from the outside bets and playing individual numbers is the way to go.

    As you move from even money bets through the betting locations until you get to straight-up bets, you can see that the chance of there being equality gets less and less likely the further you go.
    While you might see 500 reds and 500 blacks, you'll never see 3 of each number appearing for 3 cycles, 5 of each number appearing for 5 cycles, etc etc. This makes it clear that there is a benefit in playing repeaters. It might seem more logical to think about this way - if you could avoid betting on the numbers that aren't going to show up over X amount of spins and you "could" bet on numbers that appear multiple times over those same X amount of spins - you would never lose. This is true and entirely possible. "Just don't bet on numbers that aren't going to show". "Any number that hasn't shown up is potentially a number that WON'T show up". You're playing repeaters then. It's just logical.
    Playing random numbers, lucky (coughs) numbers, birthdays, flat betting, switching tables when down X amount, stopping when X ahead or X down all makes no sense. You're going to win playing repeaters.
    Are hot numbers going to stay hot ? No - like I said, the rubber band around the results keep a hot number from going out of control and staying hot and showing more and more and more above expected. The same for cold numbers - they won't stay cold, but they won't catch up either with any regularity that you can bet on and win.
    Run 1,000 spins and note the top 15 hottest numbers. Run another 1,000 and re-check.
    A few will have dropped off of the list right ? Of course - but.... some of them will remain and continue
    to stay hot. Another 1,000 spins ? More drop off, some stay. Another 1,000 spins ?
    Now someone can say - "what good is that, you don't know which ones are going to do what - it's random !!!" but they aren't thinking really.
    We can use progressions - which make up for the fact that we have no idea with 100% accuracy which ones will do which. No one can predict that kind of info, and we don't have to. We're not playing ALL of the numbers on the table. Cold number staying cold - we don't lose on them. Hot numbers going cold - we don't lose on them. Hot numbers staying hot - we don't win or lose on them - and numbers becoming hot ? We make a killing with the progression in place that covers any loss from not being 100% accurate with the other categories.

    The anti-system people are first to jump in and say that it's mumbo-jumbo and some "mystery" that no one can figure out - it's up to you to agree with them or not. They won't deny though that the only way to win is to play numbers that show above expected (which are hot numbers) and to NOT play numbers that aren't showing up (common sense). They can throw rocks at the idea that a system and progression based on repeaters is nonsense - but at the same time they surely have to understand that it makes complete sense, and that the road to always winning is down that road.
     
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    You might also notice that never an EC group of numbers, dozen, column...etc contains only hot or only cold numbers.
    The same thing for wheel's sectors, if you pick 18,12...etc continuous pockets you'll never find all the cold or all the hot there.

    What does this mean?
    It means that proximity of the table's and wheel's layout is irrelevant in regards with which numbers are more active.
    However, I dare to say that there is a connection between the hottest and coldest numbers, those extreme deviants are hitting clustered.
    Check also to see which number stands next to the hottest number, is it a frozen one?
    Just next to (wheel and/or table layout) the hottest numbers, there is always the coldest, when the hottest getting hits the frozen ones are near to appear and vice versa.
    Do you consider it a coincidence?
    All numbers are connected, the average with the average, the cool with the warm and the cold with the hot.
    Of course this priority in the sequence is not like 1+1=2 but certainly a tendency to keep your eyes on!
     
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    There are only 37/38 pockets/numbers in which the ball can rest, and the numbers keep coming. So of course there will be clusters.

    It's a good focal point to study, and in the end a decent way to bet.

    Clusters are worthy of investigation to help grow your knowledge of the game.
     
  4. TurboGenius

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    To the topic - I'll take 1,000 spins.
    In that first session let's assume there's no advantage here (for the example)
    Using Euro wheel.
    We have 37 possible hot numbers *for the next session of 1,000 spins* out of 37 numbers. The payout is 35 to 1.
    So let's call that "no advantage". At the end we have the top 15 numbers as :
    5,6,8,11,12,13,14,20,22,24,27,28,31,35,36

    Now - we have 15 possible hot numbers *for the next 1,000 spins*. The payout is 35 to 1. (We have decreased our playing field a lot) At the end we have :
    0,3,5,10,12,13,16,20,23,25,26,31,32,33,35

    6 winners out of a possible 15 total with a 35 to 1 payout ? You can see where this is going.
    At the end of the next 1,000 spins we have :
    0,2,7,8,16,17,18,21,22,25,26,30,32,33,36

    6 winners out of a possible 15 total......
    The next 1,000 spins gives us :
    1,2,3,4,8,9,12,21,22,23,26,28,32,33,35

    7 winners out of a possible 15.

    And what about ones that stayed the entire time ?
    26,32,33.... 3 of them stayed hot even though each stat was reset after each 1,000 spins.
    Now in this example (which is hardly playable at a sitting) it's more than clear how the player has the clear advantage.
    You can work this to a short playing session in almost the same way - if that's a mystery or trickery to Sir Anyone and others - you can just remain baffled or learn how random works and then realize that there are ways to turn the math into the player's advantage over the house.
     
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  5. Bombus

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    So in order to make this "playable at a sitting", where do you suggest people start?

    How do you walk up and place chips in the first instance?
     
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  7. Madi

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    What if u got 5 different number after 1000 spin session? Does it cover all the losing?
     

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    Here's the thing Madi, and I'm not trying to be a nonsensical smart arse.

    If you take the 5 hottest numbers from the last 1000 spin session then go on a Caribbean holiday for 3 weeks then return to your local casino to play. Those 5 hot numbers will with confidence be just as likely to perform as effectively as they would have if you continued the current session 3 weeks ago.

    It's true you know..
     
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    I like that Bombus. There must be a pattern where the same 5 hot numbers reoccur in a pattern of their own. I mean they are the hottest numbers in a 1000 spin cycle before cooling off. But you notice that these same 5 numbers heat up again. Over a three month period, by going into their hottest phases over and over again, with some kind of recognizable pattern to them, you see them reoccurring in a sequential, and noticeable pattern.

    That is enough information to give a programmer a huge headache. That would be a noteworthy elegant pattern indeed. It's possible. It would drive you nuts searching for them.
     
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    It's called biased numbers, that's how Pelayo family won millions.
     
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    You are right. A biased wheel would be the absolute best elegant pattern.

    So comes the big question. Are there really any biased wheels that are being used in the world anymore?
     
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    You don't need one because the phenomenon occurs anyway.
     
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    I can see what your saying .. its why the progression has to be "aggressive" that I struggle with. Does the progression vary from session to session or will, lets say, 1-5-25 get you into a winning position every time? I'm obviously being dumb!
     
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    ...and after 25 is 125 ? 125 units on a single number seems exaggeration in my point of view.
    What could justify such excessive steps?

    You raise only the number which just hit ? For up to 35 spins?
    If so then you would need the 1-hit numbers to hit for a 2nd time within the same cycle.

    I think your selection is to pick the average numbers, those with 1 hit in 37 spins and/or 2 hits in 74 spins and/or 3 hits in 111 spins...etc
     

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    But…it's not the destination that counts. Its the journey. And I don't mean the Caribbean.
     
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    Hey Bombus, I've a system with your name all over it!
    It's called L.U.C.K., aka Loaded, Unlucky & Consistently Knocked! :D
    Enables luck factor when you want it and permanently empties swallow pockets!
    Why don't you try it??
     
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    Just imagine a wheel with letters instead of numbers, those letters would cluster into a word and evventualy a larger cluster would form a sentence...

    What sentence would it be, can you imagine?

    ''Hello, I'm John Huxley 37 to 38 cycles (around sun) old...unfortunately there are not many (R)Eds on the menu, but there are plenty of greens...''

    Ancient Kabala could transform letters to numbers and vice versa...
     

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    Randomness, the Caribbean, ancient kabala, clusters, funny gifs, biased numbers, rubber bands... Yet another thread that's all over the place and makes no sense. I give up.
     
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