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Roulette Reading Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. Pedro

    Pedro Active Member

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    I fully agree bu I must admit I don't have the time or the patience to master RR. I prefer the lazy way of flat betting on the first thing that repeats. Which is the most basic RR. Like the first dozen to repeat. IDK, I fell it works, I think this was Turbo's system?
     
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  2. SPIKE

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    Not to be trite but everything works until it doesn't. And then it doesn't work in spades.. You have to find something that works all the time and be able to recognize when that time is.
     
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  3. Pedro

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    I know, here's what im trying: I try to gain one unit. the unit is 1/4 of the bankroll. I bet on the color before the last. If it goes OOXXOO i lose it all, but that only happens about 6,25% of the time. All other sessions i gain 1/4. So... Is that math right? I feel like it should not be this easy.
     
  4. SPIKE

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    Here's what you have to realize, everything that you can come up with like what you're talking about here has already been tried thousands and thousands of times in the last 200 years and they always fail because you will eventually run into a stretch of bad variance where the wheel is not playing whatever it is your playing. It's inevitable, it will happen and usually sooner rather than later. So do not invest too much of your time or money into this, just have fun with it until it stops working.
     
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    if you actually had a way to beat roulette - that you could prove - or even just demonstrate - for example there was a professional video tracking of you winning after 10,000 spins - for example 3% of all the money wagered then:

    you would be recognized as having demonstrated the greatest achievement in the history of gambling

    but that will never happen

    what will happen is this:

    you and the others making false and ridiculous claims, along with this forum, will eventually disappear and become completely forgotten

    and the claims you have made here and on WOV as EvenBob, as well as the similar claims from others here will never ever be recognized as having any value at all

    dust in the wind
     
  6. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That is what is so funny and profound about this thread. You would rather believe the lies that you have been told than the information that you would love to be true. That makes you an uninformed person with his own opinion, someone that seeks the approval of other suckers.

    I just watched a documentary about gambling in Las Vegas on Discovery+ Channel and the pro suggests that most people take $100 and try to win a $1,000. But he suggests that you take $1,000 and try to win $100. Your claim that this would the the greatest achievement, once widely known, will not be the great discovery you think it would be. I have demonstrated that if you wait for the right moment the conditions, any bet results, will flow into a phase where the player wins more than they lose on even chance bets without any bet selection strategy. The fact that you are unaware of these phases does not surprise me. You have an uninformed opinion. The world thrives on suckers that sell your kind of baloney. The world is flat, right?
     
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  7. SPIKE

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    Nope. I guarantee it would be dismissed as either luck or cheating.
     

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    I wish somebody would do that with me in a brick-and-mortar casino, I would have $100 in the about 20 minutes as soon as I found a table that's playing my game.
     
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    Facts
     
  10. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    If it is facts that you want then there are pictures of graphs that show only flat betting on red and seeing it go from good to bad and bad to good. They are somewhere in this thread. It proves beyond a shadow of any doubt that what I claimed is true.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It's faster to just print one. Here are 200 spins bet at $90 on red on each spin:

    graph66.png
     
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    Facts meaning that I totally agree with what you’ve said.
     
  13. gizmotron

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    Cool. Spike is right about getting what you want at the first instance. Say I'm using $5 chips. Say $90 a session is good enough. I bet on any 18 numbers that are looking good. Often I win that first bet. I don't have to wait until one of my groupings are in an up phase. I got what I wanted and I don't have to deal with any down phases. As you look at the graph for betting on reds you can see that it dominates downward. That's 200 spins. I could get at least one aggregate single unit win off of each uptick. If you have the patience you can just wait on dominate side tactics like strong side / weak side. You bet big on the strong side when you are winning and bet the minimum when you can't see any strong sides. That takes care of placing a bet on every spin like brick and mortar casinos. It's so easy to detect. You would think that the casinos would all be shut down by now. But people just don't have the self control to bet big on the strong sides.

    Say you get 14 strong side bets to 8 weak side wins. The aggregate win value is 6 net wins at the big price. Lungyeh suggests the big bet should be 20 times the small bet. My small bet is $3 on the upper or lower half. I do this by placing $1 each on three double streets. So my small bet is $3 and my big bet is $60. In an average session I can play for 2 to 3 hours, 90 spins at a B&M casino. You can get as much as 10 to 20 net wins at the big price in 90 spins. All it takes is determined self control. You must not get rattled by losses. You must not keep paying big into a losing streak. It's very simple if you can do it.
     
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    They don't know when the outcomes are favorable to them because they have no strategy or plan. Ninety-nine percent of the people I see playing roulette I call 'spreaders'. They try and spread their bets all over the board equally and hope for the best. They might as well throw their chips up in the air and leave them where they fall, it's the same strategy.
     

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    What I see is they don't chart to see strong sides or weak sides. In fact they expect their pet numbers to always be lucky. They go to the casino to get lucky and coincidence treats them to randomness and often disappointment. Their plan is to lose. It works all the time too. If they do get lucky they give it all back when their favorite bets get killed off.
     
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    The vast majority of people go to a casino to relax and not to work. If they win great, if they lose which they probably will at least they think they had 'fun' doing it. This is exactly the kind of attitude the casino promotes constantly in their advertising. You don't see people in their ads looking at notebooks or roulette cards, trying to figure out the game. You see them drinking and laughing and having a great time. The casino does give you a chance to leave when you're ahead, lots and lots of people are ahead at one point in their visit but they never leave when they're ahead because they're greedy. The only time they leave with more money than they came with is when they've won so much they can't give it all back even though they tried. So they give it all back next time.

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    Ha ha, and that's the math of it. They stay and have fun until their bankroll is gone. There is no lose at the mathematical expectation. The casinos promote that too. If you have $100 you will lose $3 or $4 if you invest that $100. Say you bet $5 on Red for each spin on the double zero wheel. After an hour or two, if you average that strategy out over one year betting every day the same $100 amount, you will win 9 times to every 10 losses. In other words you will slowly grind your way down. But recreational players don't do that. They keep betting right into and through losing streaks. They don't increase their bets during winning streaks. If some of them do increase during winning streaks they keep the bets high after the win streak ends. It's all about the fun of playing. They don't do any math that would advantage them. And the mathZombies say that you can't do favorable math. Winning adds up if you set out to win. The mathZombies want to protect the idiots so they spout off the same rhetoric that the casinos are always selling. Human nature always tells the real story of what happens. You can see the real results of player's failings in the casinos own corporate earnings charts that they publish each year. It is way more than the math expectation that they promote. People like to be lied to if the story alone makes them happy. Casinos and mathZombies are liars. But there is no law that says that you must give a sucker an even brake.
     
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    1. Have 20 units.
    2. Watch 5 spins.
    3. Play the EC with the most results on the last 5 spins.
    4. Stop when 1 unit is gained.
    Just do that and there you have it.
     
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    This will work until it stops, just like every other strategy of this kind. You're dealing with random outcomes that have no rules applied to them. A static strategy like this is doomed to failure.
     
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    Ok so rules number five, six, seven and eight:

    5. If your first atempt is a failure, come up with another strategy because a loss is a sign that the first strategy is not working. Try to find patterns and bet on it repeating but keep it simple. Like betting the last outcome or the oposite of the last outcome, or the result before the last. Keep doing it until 1 unit is gained.

    6. Just invent a strategy if you can't find anything. Like every two or three or five spins is going to be a red. When it works, stay doing it until 1 unit is gained.

    7. Stick to one unit a day. Randomness is like a pond. If you mess a lot with it, the water becomes wavy in trully random patterns. Leave it alone for enought time and it sits still and forms easier to predict patterns.

    8. Have a stop loss for the day. Like a maximum number of spins or bets or maximum number of net losses. I sugest 5 bets or 3 net losses or a maximum of 50 spins.
     
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