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Roulette Reading Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    OK, something to work from. I needed this list, in this format, to produce my EC practice software's chart. I bet all bets on Red at $90 each bet, flat betting to create chart:
    19,22,25,12,23,6,34,6,36,21,19,34,19,33,23,8,28,18,23,21,17,25,13,14,15,36,34,10,30,23,25,29,16,6,34,33,14,36,5,6,2,34,

    I took them right off the picture. But if you can post the list in comma delimited with no spacing that would be very cool for doing RR discussions. That goes to anyone wanting to discuss characteristics also. I built the practice software just to do charting discussions in the first place.


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     W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP 
     X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  01  --  19 ( $ 90 ) Red
       | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  02  --  22 ( $ 0 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  03  --  25 ( $ 90 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  04  --  12 ( $ 180 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  05  --  23 ( $ 270 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  06  --  06 ( $ 180 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  07  --  34 ( $ 270 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  08  --  06 ( $ 180 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  09  --  36 ( $ 270 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  10  --  21 ( $ 360 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  11  --  19 ( $ 450 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  12  --  34 ( $ 540 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  13  --  19 ( $ 630 ) Red
       | X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  14  --  33 ( $ 540 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  15  --  23 ( $ 630 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  16  --  08 ( $ 540 ) Red
       | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  17  --  28 ( $ 450 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  18  --  18 ( $ 540 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  19  --  23 ( $ 630 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  20  --  21 ( $ 720 ) Red
       | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  21  --  17 ( $ 630 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  22  --  25 ( $ 720 ) Red
       | X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  23  --  13 ( $ 630 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  24  --  14 ( $ 720 ) Red
       | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  25  --  15 ( $ 630 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  26  --  36 ( $ 720 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  27  --  34 ( $ 810 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  28  --  10 ( $ 720 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  29  --  30 ( $ 810 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  30  --  23 ( $ 900 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  31  --  25 ( $ 990 ) Red
       | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  32  --  29 ( $ 900 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  33  --  16 ( $ 990 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  34  --  06 ( $ 900 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  35  --  34 ( $ 990 ) Red
       | X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  36  --  33 ( $ 900 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  37  --  14 ( $ 990 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  38  --  36 ( $ 1080 ) Red
     X |    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  39  --  05 ( $ 1170 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  40  --  06 ( $ 1080 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  41  --  02 ( $ 990 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  42  --  34 ( $ 1080 ) Red
    
    
    NBNchart.png NBNgraph.png
     
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  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I noticed some interesting patterns in the "Finales" while taking the numbers off of your picture. But that could be discussed later.

    I'm posting these as thumbnails here so that you can zoom in on the images and read them as real size:

    NBNgraph.png

    NBNchart.png
     
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    Hopefully your recovery is going to plan. Have noticed across a few threads your posts re R.R.that you are putting some different thoughts together, nice . It’s been a good food for thought as per usual. I will be interested to see /read the continuing progress if you care to post to this thread .

    More in line of keeping all the chickens in the same yard rather than spread out across the interverse threads. I still think you should have your own sub forum aka turbo style. You know I’m a firm advocate of do “you homework” I still am , so I’m not saying put everything on the silver platter but one sub forum just makes the navigation to favourites thread that much easier for those that want it.
    500 thousand plus views and counting shows that it’s a worthwhile thread etc.
    cheers
     
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  4. Naughty but nice

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    Any good this way
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  5. gizmotron

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    It worked perfectly. I hit the paste list button, then the format list button, and it transformed it into a single line of no spacing, comma delimited numbers. I then clicked the Black to win button and a list of all black numbers came up in the numbers to bet on in that window. I then checked the amount button that symbolizes "5" for a five value ( $ ) and places a $5 on each of those numbers found in the ( to be bet on ) window, resulting in a $90 symbolic bet. It's was my way of utilizing units for this experiment. The following graph occured. You will see that flat betting every spin from your list, the Blacks won

    testBlacks777.png
     
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    Here is the telemetry:

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     W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP 
       |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  01  --  30 ( $ -90 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  02  --  35 ( $ 0 ) Black
     X | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  03  --  17 ( $ 90 ) Black
       |    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  04  --  07 ( $ 0 ) Black
       |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  05  --  14 ( $ -90 ) Black
     X | X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  06  --  28 ( $ 0 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  07  --  19 ( $ -90 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  08  --  21 ( $ -180 ) Black
     X | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  09  --  17 ( $ -90 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    |    X |   | X |  --  10  --  08 ( $ 0 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  11  --  19 ( $ -90 ) Black
       |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  12  --  37 ( $ -180 ) Black
       |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  13  --  16 ( $ -270 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  14  --  25 ( $ -360 ) Black
       |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  15  --  37 ( $ -450 ) Black
       |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  16  --  36 ( $ -540 ) Black
     X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  17  --  22 ( $ -450 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  18  --  31 ( $ -360 ) Black
       |    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  19  --  05 ( $ -450 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  20  --  02 ( $ -360 ) Black
       |    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  21  --  30 ( $ -450 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  22  --  33 ( $ -360 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  23  --  31 ( $ -270 ) Black
     X | X    |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  24  --  26 ( $ -180 ) Black
     X | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  25  --  15 ( $ -90 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  26  --  10 ( $ 0 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  27  --  31 ( $ 90 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  28  --  06 ( $ 180 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  29  --  06 ( $ 270 ) Black
       |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  30  --  09 ( $ 180 ) Black
       |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  31  --  36 ( $ 90 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  32  --  23 ( $ 0 ) Black
       |    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  33  --  36 ( $ -90 ) Black
       |    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  34  --  09 ( $ -180 ) Black
     X | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  35  --  17 ( $ -90 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  36  --  27 ( $ -180 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  37  --  27 ( $ -270 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  38  --  33 ( $ -180 ) Black
       |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  39  --  01 ( $ -270 ) Black
     X | X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  40  --  13 ( $ -180 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  41  --  29 ( $ -90 ) Black
       |    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  42  --  18 ( $ -180 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  43  --  04 ( $ -90 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  44  --  29 ( $ 0 ) Black
     X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  45  --  22 ( $ 90 ) Black
     X | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  46  --  17 ( $ 180 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  47  --  10 ( $ 270 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  48  --  19 ( $ 180 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  49  --  23 ( $ 90 ) Black
       |--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  50  --  37 ( $ 0 ) Black
       |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  51  --  23 ( $ -90 ) Black
     X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  52  --  20 ( $ 0 ) Black
     X | X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  53  --  11 ( $ 90 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  54  --  29 ( $ 180 ) Black
     X | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  55  --  20 ( $ 270 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  56  --  10 ( $ 360 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  57  --  35 ( $ 450 ) Black
     X | X    |    X | X    |    X |   | X |  --  58  --  08 ( $ 540 ) Black
       |    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  59  --  34 ( $ 450 ) Black
     X | X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  60  --  35 ( $ 540 ) Black
    
    Great chart, a real money maker session if you wanted.
     
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  7. Naughty but nice

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    Giz if you have unravelled turbo's riddles; then you can help.
    if 9 horses are being bet; how quick does the next lap of 9 horses fill.
    On average i see 9 takes around 10 spins.
    the next lap R1 completes around 36 spins.
    next laps of R's usually around 60-90-120 spins.
    upload_2023-7-19_12-25-37.png
    upload_2023-7-19_12-27-0.png
    I was using 3 horses and if had to add another.
    The quote is Turbo
     
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    It is so far. I'm back to driving my van today. There is more pain than before the operation. That was to be expected for the first two weeks. I can now rest on my back laying flat. That was out before the Op.

    Thanks.

    I was just curious about something that Turbo suggested that is true.

    Before I wrote this thread I dropped hints about it all over the internet. I did this to share it scattered so that people would have to search the different forums to find them. This is the only thread where it is all disclosed and assembled in one spot. I still like dropping hints here and there. I got banned for mathematical hericy at one forum. It seems that talking clean and safe to the mathBoyz, without labels, is not clean enough. The thought police, keeping things safe for the delicate minds of the math oriented "Snowflakes," decided to ban me, label me, and trash the idea. That's around the time I moved here to the mathNazis. Later The song "Zombie" came along to me, having never read the lyrics before. That's when they became the mathZombies. "What's in your head, Zombie?" Great song.

    Anyway. My plan has worked very well. It's 4 years now for this thread and since 2006 for the hints where "The Effectiveness States" were first presented and completely explained. I also shared the "Global Effect" where I was ridiculed by the mathBoyz in dominate never ending pleasure to themselves for both ideas. That is where I learned to be an asshole to the math oriented. They are wrong and I am right, and proving this the slow way.

    I love how this is leaking out very slowly. It takes hard work to become skilled and to make money.

    I'm considering going for the big bucks, making it while I still can. Everyone that has done the work is hopefully doing the same. Its real nice how the human nature aspect is working too.
     
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    Nope, would love to, it's Turbo's secret. He's keeping it.

    I started in all this without computer sims, on my own, and long before the internet started discussion forums. I started programming and wrote sims to investigate the corn-balled Marti. I then went after 300 spins at a time and the three hottest numbers. But I never saw the secret that Turbo uses to prove that randomness is predictable. It's true also.

    So once discovering this I looked back at my old sim data and there it is, staring me in the face. This back operation has stopped me from working on that new sim. But I don't need it. I've confirmed it with a few old hottest three number hunter sims. I like putting telemetry in my experiments so that I can tell if the algorithms are performing up to specs. And there is is in the telemetry.

    I have one of the hot number sims shared here in the software download section, I think. You can see it in that. I'll check to see so that it is not a wild goose chase.

    Ask Turbo. It's his secret to disclose and when.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It can be exploited many ways. That's all about the tactics of a MM system. I have my own and have no plans to share it. That would give away the discovery. I'm just very glad that it was there all along, for years, and I noticed it. Way to go Turbo.
     
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    Yes, it shows the intervals between hits for all the numbers. Just keep pressing the "continue button."

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    I spent at least a decade on my own researching this and never noticed what Turbo suggested. I went after three hottest numbers and 300 spins.
     
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    ... more. Once I noticed this I knew right away how to exploit it with stop losses and stop win tactics. I'm using a lightweight progression. That's more than enough shared. It's the missing element that makes it all work. My shared software can even validate this.
     
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    Giz
    How much bankroll do you have realistically.
    Would losing 100'000 units be okay?
    Look forward to your reply
     
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    You might not know that I'm a minimalist. I play to win about $60 to $100 per session. It's still within the confines of 3 net wins or 7 net losses.

    I was offered $50,000 to go to Macau and prove this. I chickened out as it was while I was still in my dig deep holes period. Now I would probably do it. So I could go for several million dollars to get sooner while the getting is good. I'm going to spend this next year building a substantial bankroll. At $1 chips my bankroll is $125. At $5 chips my bankroll is $700. At $25 chips my bankroll is $3,500. At $100 chips my bankroll is $15,000. Only a third of my casinos on my RV route allow the $100 chips to be played straight up. They also have a $2,000 cap on outside bets. Most places accept the $1,000 bet on the outside.

    I like to keep 6 bankrolls using one at a time. My method does have losing sessions at 7 net losses of the big bet per session. I lost 4 sessions in a row one time. But I also bounced back and kept my overall winning percentage on track of 66%.

    Did that give you enough information?
     

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    I ran a flat bet test against the #1 in the chart image above for hot numbers and won flat betting. Yep, I built that calculator app decades ago and misspelled execute.

    Geez. If you can get on a hot number and use a progression you can kill hot number betting. You just need to know the strategy and MM. I think I will do this as my side bet. It's safe, gets you free drinks, and satisfies the casino. Meanwhile you can sit lurking and waiting for the RR super streak.

    flatBert1hotNumber.png

    Yep, if you can do the math then you can get most of the secret from that image in the Math Tab application. Keep the secret if you get it.
     
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    so, you are going to build a 90'000 bank roll.
    This is the No1 player.
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    He talked of bankroll resets on Multiplayer Roulette
    How many resets is there here. 103'250 in the hole.
    Okay we can see a million
     
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    Top 3, 1 match then a run of 2's even evenyually a 3.
    Is top 3 any better than top 9.
     
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    Each lap wants to get to 37. The 1x complete on spin 222. R10,#8 hit 235.
    The 16 R8 went to sleep. The earlier laps just fill and fill.
    This stream made a great win; if I'd stopped. It's now dark in this hole.

    If you look 0x, 11 spins to complete top 9. 34 spins completed R1. You can see how long the R's take and top 3
    slowed down.
     
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    I'm going to go for it. All I will need is around $21,000. Everywhere the highest rollers go does not interest me much. Still, playing with chocolate colored chips and having at least $100,000 in bankroll does sound much better.

    Waking out with three net wins at $9,000 each net win does make for a better showing off. That's $27,000 a session won and $63,000 lost at 7 net losses. Covid -19 is over. My RV is upgraded. It's time to rock & roll.
     
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    I hope you do well.
    Well I dug myself out the hole.
    Perhaps choosing numbers well helps, I'll need to look at that riddle again.
    But 306 spins and having to go to 9 numbers; the 9 got me out the hole.
    5'000 was there, but if 9 numbers to complete a new lap takes around 36 spins;
    perhaps that is why units can be lost.
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