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Roulette Reading Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. Jono1167

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    Thanks Mark. In your videos, you talk about super-dominations. For the last 10 sessions or so, I have been trying to exploit these.

    For example, you notice red is dominating black. Large clusters of reds with blacks hitting as singles or doubles. You notice five reds have hit in a row. You bet red again. It wins. Now, in the past, I would stop betting here, however I decide to continue betting red. I'm anticipating a super-domination. Red wins again. However if red were to lose, you would be back to where you were before. Nothing lost. However, if it is the start of a super-domination, then you can ride that streak for easy wins. As soon as you have your first loss, then you stop betting red. This could have been the first spin (-1 unit) second spin (no loss), third spin (+1 unit) etc.

    Mark, I know you would have tried and tested this aspect of Reading Random. What's your opinion? Is it something you use, or is it something you chose not to use?

    I'll post an example from a recent session. Give me 5 minutes.....
     
  2. Jono1167

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    Here's a good example of exploiting a super-domination.

    This was session 141. I played it on Tuesday.
    You can see at spin #24 there has been six LOWS in a row. At this point in the session I was down 1 loss (-18).

    I decide to start betting LOWS. The next six bets are all correct, the seventh bet is a loss and I stop betting there. The session ends at plus four units.

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  3. gizmotron

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    Now you are gold mining.

    Yes, I attack super streaks. My goal with this thread is to show people the very basics. Imagine what you can do with just 4 in a row. You can play 2 units for the first try. You then pull 2 units from that first win and go from there with the second bet at 2. This grows from 2 to 4 and then to 8. So you can risk it all to hit 16 or you can win the first bet and clear it to no risk and win 8.

    I do recommend a form of let it ride. It's always based on the sizes you see swarming. A lone streak is hard to get much off of. But a swarm of streaks that are running in nearly the same size is like digging up a huge pocket of gold in the river bed. There can be a million dollars worth of gold in a "glory hole."

    BTW, streaks are streaks. They don't have to be the same type. You just want to look for the sizes of streaks that are swarming. You picture above is a wonderful example to everyone. I just want them to learn the basics first. I have taught you to be a grinder. Being a "grinder" that can make a profit week in and week out is one thing. But being good at prospecting for bags of gold is a different skill.

    In spins 20 to 30 in the 0's / 6's is a perfect chop of singles on both sides. This is a streak that is 10 spins long. From spin 1 to 20 in the Odd / Even is a single on the week side. That's a pattern, not a domination. It's still a streak.

    I can hunt for a 100 spin block that demonstrates the swarming of similar sized streaks across the chart. Once you have the size of the streak or the pattern of the continuing formation then you can imagine a best & safest tactic to attack it. This is different than just getting 3 net wins and go. This is about going to higher bets on house's money while getting off the streak before it ends. You can do this because you know the general sizes of each occurrence. So now you should be a size of steaks or patterns hunter as well as watching for them to cluster in your charts like a swarm of them. It's free money and will show the casino what it really means that you are lucky.
     
  4. gizmotron

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    Here is a good patch of 100 spins all charted. I see lots of streaks.

    Code:
     W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP 
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  01  --  17  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  02  --  09  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  03  --  01  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  04  --  32  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  05  --  31  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  06  --  18  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  07  --  02  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  08  --  19  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    |   |   |  --  09  --  09  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  10  --  33  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  11  --  29  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  12  --  33  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  13  --  24  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  14  --  28  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  15  --  22  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  16  --  05  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  17  --  34  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  18  --  15  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  19  --  07  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  20  --  32  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  21  --  17  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  22  --  15  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  23  --  12  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  24  --  33  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  25  --  17  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  26  --  31  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  27  --  17  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  28  --  31  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  29  --  05  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  30  --  12  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  31  --  18  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  32  --  22  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  33  --  04  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  34  --  12  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X | X    |   |   |  --  35  --  36  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  36  --  15  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  37  --  21  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  38  --  29  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  39  --  04  No Bet
     nb|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  40  --  37  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  41  --  02  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  42  --  35  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  43  --  34  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  44  --  14  No Bet
     nb|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  45  --  37  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  46  --  25  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X | X    |   | X |  --  47  --  30  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  48  --  31  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  49  --  21  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  50  --  07  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  51  --  05  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  52  --  22  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  53  --  03  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  54  --  19  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  55  --  05  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  56  --  03  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  57  --  19  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  58  --  27  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  59  --  19  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  60  --  23  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  61  --  32  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  62  --  33  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  63  --  04  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    | X    | X |   |  --  64  --  02  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X |   | X |  --  65  --  08  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  66  --  07  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  67  --  07  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  68  --  20  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  69  --  14  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X | X    |    X | X | X |  --  70  --  12  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  71  --  34  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  72  --  19  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  73  --  13  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X |   | X |  --  74  --  08  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  75  --  29  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  76  --  25  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  77  --  23  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X |   |   |  --  78  --  34  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  79  --  05  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   |   |  --  80  --  19  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  81  --  01  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  82  --  22  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  83  --  33  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  84  --  15  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  85  --  31  No Bet
     nb|--------------------| X    | X | X |  --  86  --  37  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  87  --  01  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  88  --  20  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X | X    |   | X |  --  89  --  25  No Bet
     nb|    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  90  --  32  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  91  --  11  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  92  --  03  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  93  --  05  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  94  --  01  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  95  --  20  No Bet
     nb| X    | X    | X    | X    |   | X |  --  96  --  13  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X | X    |    X | X |   |  --  97  --  04  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    |    X |    X |   | X |  --  98  --  21  No Bet
     nb| X    |    X |    X | X    | X |   |  --  99  --  24  No Bet
     nb|    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  100  --  01  No Bet
    
     
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  5. Jono1167

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    Incredible Mark, as you said, streaks everywhere! What about from spin #15 till spin #34..... The SIX's have gone off! You would have jumped in and made a killing. Plenty more streaks to take advantage of too. At spin 53 a nice cluster of REDS and ODDS. From spin 53 to 75 a huge run of singles hitting on the weak side (ZERO's column).

    There's obviously plenty more to learn... As I said, I only worked out there could be some advantage in taking advantage of streaks in the last 10 sessions or so. I will keep practicing and see what else there is to learn. Bombus posted earlier that 800 sessions is a good practice goal to aim for. I plan to do that.

    Cheers Mark
     
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  6. MillyMole

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    I presume the sixes are the 18 numbers either side of the zero? left or right.

    So flipping heck.how much would your winnings been if you had parlay your bets.

    My initial testing I am constantly hitting twice in a row then missing two then hitting twice ,but taking a while to get to plus 3 units.Maybe parlay is the way to go.

    Good luck everyone
     
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  7. gizmotron

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    All you have to do is ask yourself if you were hitting and missing in intervals of two's what would it take to win this pattern if the pattern were to continue. Then you could use a parlay because you might get 4 in a row. Parlays are just for when you suspect a streak. It's just a guess that a streak might continue. It's a huge long shot combination of bets. If you have first bet money to waste and there are swarms of streaks then you can go for it. I would not use a parlay in a situation where you are not even getting to three the easy way.

    Sessions can be hard and that tend to stall at step two. This happens all the time. I run into walls at two net wins all the time. Virtual bets are good in these conditions. When a session does that I often quit at two and come back another time. I do the same thing for a bad session. If I go deep like down to 6 net losses and can only fight my way back to 3 net losses like it's a wall. Then I will quit that session with only 3 net losses.

    You can't force your way unless you wait for conditions to change. There are two ways to wait. You can virtual bet until it changes or you can go have a meal or watch a movie. Go to the sports bar and watch some game or race. The great thing about conditions is that they are always changing. That is what takes out system players that are rigid in their methods. They just keep trying to break the walls. In those cases the walls win because they narrow the space between wins at +3 and losses at -7. Good easy sessions are there. All you have to do is wait to see the conditions change.

    This is your power. You decide when it is best to get your 3 net wins. Same goes for the gold prospecting. You wait until it's good conditions for parlays. You can learn this. These are the big deal steps to learning this. You wait for good conditions just like Card Counters wait for good conditions. It's a skill to see this. That is what all the practice sessions are for. You must become aware of conditions and changes. I've been calling this conditional awareness for decades. It is a skill that once learned is a kind of thing where you can't go back to not seeing it.
     
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    How far back do you look? In the B+M with cards would it be 20 spins, you wouldn't want to be shuffling too many, I guess.
     
  9. MillyMole

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    Some excellent advice ,thanks.

    Lots of people when they play roulette go on about the advantage the casino has over them,like the house edge,but that’s it.They need to think of the advantages you have over the casino instead next time they play

    The casino has to offer the game every 30 seconds or whatever.You don’t have to play every spin,you can choose when you want to play the casino can’t.

    If you on a huge good winning run,the casino can’t do anything about,it still has to offer the game every 30 seconds,but if the casino is on a good run ,and your not you can walk away whenever you choose.

    You can decide how much you want to bet,the casino cant ,it has to take bets whatever the table limit is where as you can bet whatever you want.

    You can take a break whenever you want,go and have a nice meal,shoot some pool,chat up someone:D the casino can’t,it has to keep offering the game.

    So lots of advantages the player has over the casino.
     
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  10. gizmotron

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    MillyMole, Rapid Roulette with a live dealer in a B&M casino is 60 seconds per spin. A live dealer with payouts to other players is about 2 minutes per spin. Online is 30 seconds. I personally hate online. It's too fast.

    Naughty, I look back about 8 to 10 spins with most of my attention on the last 4 to 6. I also look back at least 20 for a quick glance at super swarms. And I look for change. Sometimes it's just looking back one spin. I'm searching for anything that is continuing. That is my method down to its simplest form. I guess on anything that continues. That results in effectiveness and that pattern. But to teach this I have to take new people through trend and pattern recognition and characteristics first. It's like learning the alphabet before learning to connect them into words.

    B&M live dealer is the best way to go. It's the slowest and the best for getting your charts filled out and your bet selections made. On a super busy night with players that load the layout full it takes two dealers to handle the load and this can take as much as 3 to 4 minutes per spin. That's OK too. If I can get 30 spins per hour then I'm happy. I have 6 groups made up of 12 sets to look at. With Baccarat or Craps this could take a lot more hours to beat them. They only have one group made up of 2 sets.
     
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    I detest online roulette,I can't find one live roulette site,where you get more than 10 seconds to place your bet,some are around 5 secs! ,just about enough time to play your system ,but only say the colours ,not track all of them FFS.

    As for inside bets forget it,even trying to play 5 numbers it hard to get them on in time,and easy to make a mistake and no to time to rectify it.

    Anyway I'm going to a nice B AND M casino Sat with a cinema and pizza hut next door,so report back sat Evening ,looking forward to it.They have a craps table too,that pays out 3/1 on the double six too!!
     
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    MillyMole ,



    What are the expected table minimums at the B & M casinos you are planning to visit .


    ND
     
  13. MillyMole

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    the electronic machine if you decide to play them are linked to 3 live tables at the casino and minimum on those is 10 pence ,so really good to use if you are tying out this strategy,plus you can track all the patterns as the speed of play will be determined by the number of customers at the wheel.Looking forward to Saturday

    https://brighton.rendezvouscasino.com/casino/electronic-gaming-and-slots
     
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    Grosvenor up the round has .10p on touchscreen; well do in Luton. And in Turners up north with the smelly yellows; dirty manc's
     

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    Milly Mose ,


    Thanks for your reply . However I am playing an entirely different strategy as advocated by Gizmotron.


    Mark has some idea about my various strategies but I never discuss them in public forums .



    The table minimums in your area sound inviting .




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  16. MillyMole

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    Best practice session so far today,saw a trend of two one side then two the other side,when I joined the party it carried on for 8 more spins,imagine parlaying it for 8 times in a row.

    Then trend ended and started again,this times 6 times in a row winning:)

    All on live spins from casino wiesbaden,not RNG

    Trying to think what sort of progression to use to take advantage of long winning streaks.

    Good luck to everyone
     
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    (Once I have reached my win goal with a positive progression I continue betting the minimum until the first loss .


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    More advanced thinking now:

    It's one thing to slowly increase your bankroll with three net wins and done. That is a great tactic if you think about slowly growing your bankroll. But once you have a huge bankroll you can use big tools to "get on the gold."

    I use a stacked parlay. You want to go for four or five won bets in a row. So I take 5 independent bets all at once on the first try.

    1 + 1 = 2 -- Win this and lose the next you are down -3.
    1 + 1 + 2 = 4 -- Win this and lose the rest and you are +1
    1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 8 -- Win this and lose the rest and you are +9
    1 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 = 16 -- Win this and lose the last one and you are +25
    1 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 = 32 -- Win this and you are +57

    The first bet is 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5
    the next is 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 8
    the next is 4 + 4 + 4 = 12
    the next is 8 + 8 = 16
    the next is 16
     
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  19. Rustyshackleford

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    Gizmo, what is your opinion on the triple zero wheel? i stayed at the excalibur a month ago and showed my wife they have plenty of 3 zero wheels and YES there were people playing them with a big smile on their faces =) (i just played video poker that week) but these triple zero wheels are here to stay it seems, would you play a double or triple zero wheel?
     
  20. gizmotron

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    I'd want those tables to pay 36 to 1. But they don't, do they?

    I only play double dozen tables. It's very rare to find single zero. But there are a few. If there is one then that is the table I will play on.

    I could beat a table with 6 zeros. The win to loss ratio clearly shows that I could. That many zeros just means that zeros are also part of all trends and patterns. You just include them. I'd be dropping cherry bombs in the toilets for adding that zero though. You could try to slit the tires of the casino bosses. If that's all that there will be one day then I will advertise how to do this.
     

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