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Baccarat Regular Martingale vs Grand Martingale

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jon Wick, Jul 20, 2021.

  1. Jon Wick

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    Is there an advantage using one over the other?
     
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    Well other than winning an additional unit for each step in the progression you go, then no. It will bust out the same amount of times just that Grand will cost you more.

    A five-step Martingale is 1-2-4-8-16 or 31 units

    A five-step Grand Martingale is 1-3-7-15-31 or 57 units.
     
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  3. soxfan

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    Shrewd cat should only wager on the bankers side of the equation so go with the grand marty to over come the vig, simple, hey hey.
     
  4. Punkcity

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    Once you receive the book from Stephen perhaps you can trial that method using both Marty . It will obviously take a bit of homework on your part but it should bring you to a better idea than throwing out a statement on the interverse and hoping for some magic Marty miracle. Hopefully you can get something that works and suits your own style of play .

    The thread is a good statement but unfortunately it’s becomes a biased post. The number of people that use one or the other Marty are obviously doing it in a defined manner ( hopefully not just knee jerk degenerate gambling) .

    The key imho is getting good information from the SUCCESSFUL Marty player.

    Perhaps the better statement for a forum thread is
    “Using one or the other Marty styles, what is YOUR preferred system,trigger , bankroll and execution to obtain a DAILY profit of 1 unit minimum?” ( irrespective of unit value OR banker commission deduction)

    Now I know there has been some hum bug , this forum from posters ( myself included) that naysay efforts by other posters this forum. For mine it’s usually because the poster statement is “unbeatable” , “holy grailisk” or some other LAME urban fallacy degen gambling myth that gets my “heckles up” .

    To clarify I do believe the Marty is a great way to go .

    I , like you Jon have not been able obtain a worthwhile method to approach it. In saying that I would doubt if I would change from my current bullshit selection criteria plus flat betting.

    But I would be interested to learn for the sake of adding another tool to the toolbox and having that available if I need it. Etc.

    So I hope other posters add to this thread with more details than you have currently asked for by your thread title. Cheers
     
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  5. Nathan Detroit

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    He, soxfan is well taken care off with Leonard Benson.

    Nothing new under the sun.

    Not much change since the early days of Monte Carlo or Dostoyevsky " The Gambler" Bad Homburg.
     
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  6. Rinad

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    the Grand Marty recoup losses much faster. it does cost more then it is a "numbers" game.
    same difference between a 1,2,4 as oppose to a 1,3,7. it can take like 20 spins to recoup 7 units loss but will only take 11 spins to recoup 11 units. I mentioned it many times in forums but players only look at the amount of losses.
    you can keep winning the 4 unit bet on and on and by the time you recoup the 7 units you lose another 7 units.
    1,3,7, or 1,3,7,15........ making 1 unit per spin is golden.
    someone said "what if you lose back to back the grand Marty ?"
    if that is the question then the answer is ,play a 1,1,1,1,1,1, .......and you wont lose much....
    if we lose the grand Marty according to the odds I think I am in better shape winning more faster and call it a day.
    Cheers,
    Rinad
     
  7. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Yes it’s a given. We can roll out all the mathy, all the oddzes, all the loa es ( loa = lol in my book) to say it’s a winner

    Everybody knows Marty is the true way.
    The casino knows
    The degen knows
    The ploppy knows
    The kid in the street knows the same way he/she/it works out masturbation is self satisfying.

    But

    It does fail enough of the time to put huge profit in casino coffers, send ploppies to the poor house, at least stopping them from continuing because of lack of funding.

    Can we forget about reposting endless dribble re odds , most of you just cut and paste your “factual” look at me how smart I am mathy information. We all know that , so for sake of getting to the point can posters refrain from rehashing the the pro verses cons of Marty

    We ALL agree and understand

    This is Jon’s real question across a number of threads he has started.

    “What is the true winning method to succeed at baccarat using either Marty method”.

    Not flat betting
    Not Kelly
    Not ladders

    Just Marty

    no bullshit I have to get it because of loa, odds , maths or “in the long run” ( that really make me lmao)

    Rinad as an example what is the method you use? I’m assuming you are a successful Marty player. Do you have a “set play” or are you of the “degen style” that a few posters have posted of late. No offence intended to you rinad

    Im equally aware that this is a “ how long is a piece of string” statement/ question.
    Here I’m assuming you the posters in reply will refrain from urban myth and fallacy, destiny and “ I’m feeling lucky” methods.

    Let’s cut to the chase here as Jon is bleeding from his eyes and my interest has been piped also.

    Maybe rather than betting against a streak continue what is the attempts of using a Marty to bet that a streak actually continue and once you get that win why not then flat bet a smaller unit until the streak ends.

    Just another way of the Marty.

    Well?
    Cheers
     
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  8. Punkcity

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    I can use your statement here by cutting and paste but you are not saying anything and it lends itself to the snake eating it’s tail Groundhog Day you mentioned in your post.
    By the way I do understand if you don’t want to tell Jon your secret method, fair enough. But the statement does become blar blar blar across a number of threads and forums as you quite rightly point out. The nature of the statement is a red herring. Imho.
    the next few paragraphs are “GENERIC” “you” and not you rinad.
    You gamble, you Marty, you know the math but you are as any other person that gamble wether they know, understand the math and choose to ignore it and continue to gamble, you are just the same.
    My point being you know the math you should not gamble. You know the math , you gamble, you should not condemn others for gambling nor going Groundhog Day mathy statement. I think there are a few uptight Christian forum that you all could go post at. Etc anti booze, anti sex, anti smoking etc etc etc.
    not directly point at you rinad etc. cheers
     
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    i test an anti-streaks style, buckin up against players streaks only, usin a shorts leash grand marty and it show a sweet profits of just over three units, nets per shoe buckin up against about 26 000 tested shoe. It ain't rockets science baby, hey hey.
     
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    Nice.
    In posting above and from knowing you are a banker man, what is your KEY trigger on player run length before you unleash the grand marty? Yes WE are all aware it’s not infallible, WE don’t need the mathy etc , some believe others don’t and that should not be the issue , hopefully an open dialogue without the attempted point scoring boring repartee .

    Soxfan if you decline to answer no problem, no harm no foul. But it would potentially help the pro inclined Marty players to keep more in their coffers than just shoveling it to the casino. Cheers
     
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    I assume you play the short leash in conjunction to your normal play style only brining out when needed? Do you carry a separate bankroll for that ? I would hope you do , my opinion only. Cheers
     
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    Always remember that the 1s 2s 3s and 4s make up over 90% of all streaks events so you should make yer cake on those. It's wasteful and inefficient to wait for the 3 or 4 streak and then come over the top bettin against them. Also, in my testings I figure yer gonna lose say 45-47% of yer gross to the vig but profits are profits so just the cost of doin business, hey hey.
     
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    Nice.
    Thanks for the input soxfan.
    Perhaps more Successful and Solid suggestions from other Successful Marty players?

    Getting the picture Jon?

    Method, execution , foundation not based on urban fallacy or degenerate pluck it from my arse clutching straws casino gobbleie gook or look at me look at me I’m so smart mathy Groundhog Day cut and pasters.
    Nice.

    I sincerely hope this helps you Jon,
    Cheers
     
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    Unit size at $100-$200 makes the 45% vig a big doable, but of a learning curve for discipline if your unit size is $25. Less the potential 45% give you a return of $12:90 ish makes you take more risks, unless you use that unit size to HONE your skills while you develop a substantial bankroll to go bigger units once your confidence has been established.

    Note the word confidence didn’t mean degenerate gambling practices. Big difference.
    Cheers
     

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    Yes it did help me . I greatly appreciate your and soxfan's feedback. Thank you.
     
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    okay, I will try my best not to land on the moon if I can help it.
    the advantage of the grand Marty over the smaller one, which is the original question, as i see it is this.
    if i play a 1,3,7.......as oppose to the 1,2,..... is that I love to have more then one out to reach my goal or target. i used to play poker and when you hold a hand that you can draw various combinations such as a "flush, straight, others", you know you get more then just one way to win, so the more "outs" the better.
    with even money games and play a 1,3...... there are those times when you get a fill for winning all bunch of hands in a row, and so if I win a 7 unit bet I dont have to come back to a 1 unit bet but can risk a 2 unit bet instead. if I lose I can continue the marty to a 3 unit, then 7.....ect....so i give myself this other "out" to reach a target.
    if I get to a bigger bet like 20,30 units I would not hesitate to risk a "tie" bet that could get me a free hand (if I win), or even a 30 unit win if I make the tie a bigger bet, just like a insurance bet. I can afford it because of the strong Marty .
    at a roulette wheel I can use 0/00 also.
    at a blackjack game I dont mind giving up "double downs that are not so great" in order to be able to take that extra hit just to win a hand at all cost since the goal of a marty to me is about winning the big bets .
    another thing mentioned above is to just be much more "passive" after getting a few hands and or regress to a lower betting scheme. so you lock your wins and still give yourself to win some more.
    my experience tells me to "get out" or move to another table if I lose 5,6 hands in a row. I always seem to get another companion to that first big loss, as if all of a sudden, the weather forecast just "changed" and I am to enter a new "chapter", as the personality of patterns is to repeat themselves and i learned it the hard way.
    Regards,
     
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    okay, I will try my best not to land on the moon if I can help it.
    the advantage of the grand Marty over the smaller one, which is the original question, as i see it is this.
    if i play a 1,3,7.......as oppose to the 1,2,..... is that I love to have more then one out to reach my goal or target. i used to play poker and when you hold a hand that you can draw various combinations such as a "flush, straight, others", you know you get more then just one way to win, so the more "outs" the better.
    with even money games and play a 1,3...... there are those times when you get a fill for winning all bunch of hands in a row, and so if I win a 7 unit bet I dont have to come back to a 1 unit bet but can risk a 2 unit bet instead. if I lose I can continue the marty to a 3 unit, then 7.....ect....so i give myself this other "out" to reach a target.
    if I get to a bigger bet like 20,30 units I would not hesitate to risk a "tie" bet that could get me a free hand (if I win), or even a 30 unit win if I make the tie a bigger bet, just like a insurance bet. I can afford it because of the strong Marty .
    at a roulette wheel I can use 0/00 also.
    at a blackjack game I dont mind giving up "double downs that are not so great" in order to be able to take that extra hit just to win a hand at all cost since the goal of a marty to me is about winning the big bets .
    another thing mentioned above is to just be much more "passive" after getting a few hands and or regress to a lower betting scheme. so you lock your wins and still give yourself to win some more.
    my experience tells me to "get out" or move to another table if I lose 5,6 hands in a row. I always seem to get another companion to that first big loss, as if all of a sudden, the weather forecast just "changed" and I am to enter a new "chapter", as the personality of patterns is to repeat themselves and i learned it the hard way.
    Regards,
     
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    I hear rumor that the Leonard Benson made plenty of cake selling system over the year. So, I'm sure he enjoying his retirements.
     
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    You are welcome , if I’ve been able to help just one person on the planet have a better understanding of their process rev this business, then I consider my life a successful venture. Good luck and cheers
     
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    So you are basically running 2 or more money management methods? One is the grand Marty to get you the extra unit/units, then the other is breaking that nomination of units won into a parcel of take home sure profit , then continue with a different money method to boost profit using the “casino money” you initially got from the grand series.
    About right?
    Utilise the Marty, get a profit, continue to press with a different strategy while locking in a profit and trying to reduce the risk of bankroll death. Nice.

    Do you mind if I ask what are your triggers for Marty? Is it much along the same vein as soxfan above post this thread? You have given a start and an ending, bit like two slices of bread but no details of the fillings, so not quite the yummy sandwich yet. No foul if you don’t care to discuss.
    Thanks for input so far. Cheers
     

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