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Roulette Repost of 1961 video for those who asked for it

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. delectus

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    As usual you fail to pay attention to the reply that's given to you

    Sleeper project thread page 16 post 311.

    Instead of churning out endless waffle and downloading childish videos etc
    try understanding the facts given to you.
     
  2. Jerome

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    If I remember rightly, my explanation was variance, and your sample size being too small. If you don't accept that it's not my problem.

    Vague. What is a "number of occasions"? And you should also test numbers which DON'T have favourable "parameters". What you'll find is that those numbers also hit on a "number of occasions". What you definitely won't find is any evidence that past spins influence future spins.

    Of course there's no chance you could be mistaken and that yours is the nonsense? :rolleyes:
     
  3. trellw24

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    No just no, I have to disagree especially with American Roulette where you are supposed to lose 2 units per 38 spins. 5.26% is huge. That's 5X times worse than baccarat and I'm sure he's using that as he's in America as am I. I don't care how fancy your progression is, whether it be positive or negative or combination of both it's not getting that far at all with 2 zeros in your way. The house edge will eat you alive, sorry not buying it.
     
  4. eugene

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    I must be missing the logic to the horseracing analogy, lol.
    If Horse A is closest to the finish line, Horse B is somewhere in the middle and horse C lagging behind....of course I will more than likely bet horse A! But with every new spin of the wheel, regardless if number 26 came out 5 times in the last 10 spins and 29 came out zero times, how can you make a case for betting the 26 in the random game. Are the pockets wider for the 26 equating to horse A closer to the finishing line and the pocket on the 29 half covered up because it's lagging behind? Of course not! Oh wait, I am looking at it wrong and shouldn't be thinking in terms of just the next spin. (why not, lol) Maybe I need a progression to cross the bridge. :D
    Seriously, if this is all some of you guys have after all this time...………..pretty lame IMO.
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    The horse racing anolgy is just a way for him to avoid discussing probability, because he just doesn't comprehend the math.
     
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  6. delectus

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    Jerome, as I have previously said variance doesn't cut it. Where specifically
    does it apply to the sleeper project?

    For your information the following numbers have not entered the Index:

    02
    05
    10
    11
    12
    14
    35

    They should have by now according to you even briefly?

    How many spins is a small sample?

    As usual its a poor reply and bears no reality to what I have produced.

    The Index stands at 30% Strength. If you are still on this forum when
    it reaches 60%, what will your comment be then. Still a small sample
    with a little variance. :rolleyes::D
     
  7. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Sure, I can help you out with that problem.
    Instead of the horses - we'll use numbers.. nice and easy.
    The finish line is when a number appears 6 times.
    #26 came out 5 times already and is very near the finish line. (in your example)
    #29 came out 0 times and is still at the start line.
    Now - with the same logic, "of course you will" bet on #26. The race ends at 6 !
    Who would argue that #26 has NO better chance of reaching it first than #29 ??
    That's what people are arguing who don't understand this. Yes - they argue that
    the horse still at the start line will appear 6 times and beat the horse/# which only
    needs one more appearance. It's nonsense. They aren't equal.
    Their expected rate of appearance is equal - but one horse (at this point in the race) has
    a massive advantage.
    You won't bet on #26 that needs 1 appearance and instead "predict" that the other horse
    is going to appear 6 times and win ? No, you'll bet #26.
    So there it is explained and maybe the logic makes sense now ?

    And yet I win..... and win..... and win.....

    As a matter of fact - unless I make incredibly stupid bets at the table max limits in a casino
    (and do this for a while).. I can NEVER give back what I'm ahead in profits.
    It's impossible. I guess I'm living proof that you're full of it. Oh wait, I'm just lucky.
    Over and over and over and never losing. Strange.
    Resist the unicorn thinking and use your brain.. or don't.
     
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  8. TurboGenius

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    Well, it has to be explained in a way that you can understand it... and even then it was a failure.
    So there's no easier way to do it other than maybe colored blocks and pieces of candy with
    numbers on them and we can put them in a bowl with your mashed cereal breakfast and discuss
    how things work.
    I have to "dumb things down" in order to explain it to those who STILL don't understand it.
    But time is up for the most part, no use banging the 'ol head on the wall talking to spitball
    shooters in the back of the class.
     
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    I can go on Betfair and bet 'in-running'.
    Horse A 10 lengths in front of Horse B and 20 lengths in front of Horse C and a furlong to go. Who knows the odds for horse A but let's say 1/10.
    Horse B 10 lengths behind horse A and 10 lengths in front of horse C. Let's say 9/1.
    Horse C 10 lengths behind horse B and 20 lengths behind horse A. Let's say 25/1.

    Do the casino offer lower odds for number 26 because it has appeared 5 times more than the 29? Of course not, because on each and every spin they both have the same chance to come out and you will get just the same odds betting on the 29 with no appearances as you would get betting the 26 with 5 appearances.
     
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    I'll take those 35/1 odds on horse A (no.26) near one of its finish lines every time.
    And if horse B and C pick up, well thats another race to consider.
     
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  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Turbo,

    Why can't you use probability for a change? Show us how your system changes the odds.

    Do you know how?
     
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  12. TurboGenius

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    Since it was removed (video)... I found a working link to the same video
    since it was uploaded again.
    I would suggest anyone who wants it to download it (if possible) or else it
    will no doubt be deleted again.
    Cheers
     
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  13. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    • Violation of Rule #7: No Off-topic Posting
    Turbo,

    What happened to your ranking on Roulette Simulator? It looks like you don't even rank anymore. ;)
     
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  14. Nathan Detroit

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    Blacking out is awful .
     
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    You can still read the Snow White redacted posts by hovering over the text - lol. The black was cooler as it was very gangster and just like they do in the 007 type documents.
     
  16. Rona

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    Turbo I think the fundamental objection to your train of thought is that we don't know when trends change. Whether the trend is Red or Streaks or Chops or hot Numbers or Anything AFTER the trend has been identified, doesn't mean it will continue. It would be nice to be at the trend when it started, but after you identify a trend, hotness etc., there is no benefit in betting that it will continue. The hot number can become cold etc.
    To use your example, the roulette player doesn't get paid if he finds the horse that ends first, but only if a horse runs faster than the others while he is betting on it.
     
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  17. SERGIO

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    What Turbo does not have much difficult, just need to understand it well.
    I advise you to look at the law of radioactive decay to see how atoms disintegrate and how you can apply that in roulette
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

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    A 1961 video ? Bit out dated .
     
  19. thereddiamanthe

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    Link Invalid. Perhaps another repost?
     
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