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Roulette Rigged or not.....

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by HAL, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. HAL

    HAL New Member

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    Can we expect the live roulette wheel in a B&M casino to be rigged in the near future? Maybe some of the forum members ever experienced something suspicious.
     
  2. TurboGenius

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    If there's ever a point when there's no basic wheel and dealer available - I won't play the game there and will go somewhere else. Anything that doesn't involve a dealer and a typical basic wheel can be rigged.
     
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  3. HAL

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    I mean, when it looks like the real deal. But all of sudden you're bets at the end of you're progression won't show for some reason. I mean zero, nada. As if there is an eye in the sky that sees and calculates which number is the most profitable. Like after the ball is spun a computer takes over (speed of rotor)and drops the ball in that particular number (maybe computer controlled magnets). Is this scenario too far fetched or is it legit when a certain amount of payout is met. It's difficult to prove anything I know and they don't have to use tactics like this all the time.
     
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  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    If a game or machine doesn't allow bets after the ball is spun, then you should know that the game is rigged and the results are predetermined based on your bet locations.
     
  5. HAL

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    Dr Sir A don't you think the scenario is possible after the ball is spun?
     
  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    On a live table, you can place bets after the ball is spun, and the results are fair.

    HOWEVER

    On some of the machines you can NOT place a bet after the ball is spun, even on the outside, so you should consider such machines to be CHEATING MACHINES designed to cheat the player. For example in Pennsylvania and Las Vegas there are several of these machines. My suggestion is to stay away from them. I've read that INTERBLOCK has lawsuits against them for predatory craps machines as well. Steer clear!
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article128935259.html

    Also if you see a machine where the wheel appears to speed up or slow down after the ball is spun, then you should think twice about playing the machine. I believe the Vegas Star Machines do this.

    Only a fair game lets you place bets after the ball is spun on the outside and inside.
     
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  7. RouletteGhost

    RouletteGhost Well-Known Member

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    I played roulette today at jakes 58

    Here’s a question. It’s a legit one

    What evidence do you have or information do you posses that tells you the machines aren’t rigged if it lets you bet after the airball machine spins?

    The way I see it is that the machines can veryyyy easily be rigged. On the flip side, why rig a machine that has an unfair payout to the player and will always rake in profits no matter what

    Are airball machines rigged or not we really do not know

    I also played bubble craps. Was fun as hell! It’s dice in a bubble didn’t seem like foul play to me
     
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  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I thought that you were mainly an online player? (I thought you only played in a real casino maybe once or twice a year.)

    If you see the wheel change wheel speeds during the spin, as if to avoid your bets, then assume it's cheating.
    If you can't bet after the ball is spun, then like the rest of us, assume it's cheating.
     
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  9. asymbacguy

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    Good points, anyway I wish to add my comments.

    IB engineers had demonstrated to be quite sensitive to the "after ball launch" betting as it might be theorically susceptible to possible electronic measurement, no matter how many zeroes are involved. Nonetheless it's illegal for players to utilize electronic devices in most casinos.

    On the other hand, it's totally illegal at least in Nevada to produce automated physical roulettes capable to counteract certain players' bets.

    Both assumptions have a practical validity if some sections of the wheel are more or less probable after the ball is spun by factors set up by players or by the machine itself.

    Therefore we could easily assume that many bets (B/R, L/H, etc) cannot be susceptible to any possible advantage for either side (players and casino) other than the expected negative or positive general edge.

    It's true that some spins feature a "weird" rotor slowing/speeding process, now the issue must be assessed in terms of frequency over the total spins and in relationship of other factors as the number of players involved in the actual machine.
    Differently to single zero wheels, double zero wheel players do not like to bet sectors, preferring to bet certain numbers or preordered clusters as even chances, dozens, etc.

    One time in Vegas I was sitting at a MGM IB machine where everyone but me was hugely betting just on black and red without wagering on zeroes.
    Sometimes the rotor accelerated or slowed down during each ball revolution but no one 0/00 appeared for long time. And not the neighbors numbers (2, 28, 27 and 1) were touched but one time.
    I would expect the opposite if I thought such wheels would be rigged in some way.

    In another occasion, I managed to register the outcomes of an empty automated Vegas wheel 7 hours long with no one single dime being bet on.
    Quite frequently the rotor sped up or slowed down. Then what? Did the software try to cheat the air?

    I mean that as long as we don't bet long consecutive sections of the wheel, how a software may prevent us to get a possible "favorite" outcome?

    The fact that bets are allowed well after the ball is spun doesn't help us to get certain more predictable results, mostly because on modern wheels the bouncing effect is astronomical.

    Then as always you'll never know....
     
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  10. johndexter

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    NONE,of the UK Sling shot machines in William Hill ,Ladbrokes or Grovesnor Casinos are rigged,They all use each others live feeds.Ive had descent payouts without any problems.
     
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  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    They don't need to be rigged. The house edge is sufficient enough to beat all players.
     
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  12. asymbacguy

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    Exactly, it's the same opinion I have.
     
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  13. RolleteRoy

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    Not agree to such statement, in somecase, the win can be 3000% againt the odd 5%,

    casino is business man, so as these 9000$ machine do, they will seek to avoid such 3000% payout when possible,
     
  14. RolleteRoy

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    Thank you for sharing.

    it take years to figure out what actually it do.
    After spin, the number landed still can be modified, How many time you see the ball fall into number and bounce out from hole?
    how many time u see the reverse drop?
    how many time you see the sudden sucking drop ?

    it is killer with several weapon,
    sometime it use small knife, some time it use riffle, sometime , it use canon.

    So dont think a tame tiger is a cat, it can bite and bite big when needed,
     

  15. RolleteRoy

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    you are right, there is computer see all your bet and trigger lowest payback rng,
    but they dont do it every spin, so sometime it look real.
    so you continue bet, and they use that weapon again,

    one of the logic psychology tactic it , they know u bet progressively, and always anti you, then you feed up and bet more then they eat all , and your dream number never come out until your money run out, once you stop bet, the previously heavy hit number come out , make u feel it is your false not betting more, this is the monster psychology torturing to make player lost and lost more.
     
  16. Sharptracker

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    Mostly 99% of people say it is rigged are people who lost at this type of game. Till you win, you'll never complain. And this is not logic, if you want to catch a sheep, let him win and let him trust his system.
    Let's take a newbie, if he loses at his first session, he might think this game is crap and he won't play anymore while the better trap is to let him believe that he can get easy money at this game (variance does that so good). You can't imagine how much people i met who were addicted coz at a time they won big, they know it's possible and this is how you'll trap them. They got Time, Big bankroll to bear swing, no need to cheat IMO.
     
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  17. Nathan Detroit

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    Losers blame it on the dealers , the table , the wheel but never on themselves .


    ND
     
  18. Ripple Ratt

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    Hello all,

    A quick intro and apology up front, I tend to be long winded because I am through in what I say and try to take away all the negative questions up front instead of the endless bantering over details.

    I'm a retired computer programmer and have been working on this issue of the airball machines being rigged.

    Read patents n have over 10k of spin history from 12 states over 4 years. Wrote thousands of lines of code to analyze data n look for patterns. Been tossed out many times n arrested once for winning. I travel the western USA taking pictures n play airball for extra cash. Just keep winnings below what machine will pay n you should not have issues.

    More in all that later. I think I like the IQ level of the people in this forum n some if the ideas about cheating, your not just ranting cause you lost. You have valid ideas and see what I see. so I joined n will share what I know n don't know, assumptions n theroy n tests that you all can run to see results.

    This idea if cheating is not simple yes no answer. This is a computer, run by software and has total control over all factors with sensirs for feed back.

    It can drop that ball where ever it wants. That fact is not debatable, what we debate is do they want to cheat? When n why. And risks involved.

    Lemme share one thing for you to try in your simulators, games I'm sure you run on phone,. I use ultra roulette,. while I work in the rest of my posts. I try to include links when ever possible so it takes time but you will have proof if what I say.

    Oh, fir the record on where I stand... It cheats, but nit always, I can prove it right now.

    Try my proven test bet so we can talk at same level of understanding.

    Take a $20.
    Go casino, After midnight.
    Air ball machine. Note brand.
    bet the following:
    $5 on collum 1
    $5 on collum 2
    $10 on Red
    If you win, note that n do it again.

    Write it all down.
    Note stats based upon. Note last 20 spins, hit count for any number it hits. If number is Hit or cold.
    ** Oh, note ball action too. **

    Report results. Here.

    I guess I should tell u so you don't think I lying after results are in. Ok, fine.

    I always will get 6 with that bet.
    Or always lose. 6 out of 38 are losers, and it hits one of them. Really
    6 15 24 33 0 00
    And it hits 6 then 15 most often.
    Bet the greens too split $5 watch.

    We talk variations n multi stations later but feel free to play more while you pick up your jaw and tell me it can't cheat.

    Try it on your games n simulators n online too. But live airball at casino will give different results. Why? Ha ha.

    Now, If you walk away a winner, let's say 3 times betting that. I'm gonna visit you and we gonna be rich cause I can exploit it to no end.

    I found one like that in Black Hawk Colorado, took it for 1500 one nite, went back few days later with friend and they were taking it apart. I been kicked out several times n arrested once in parking lot on bogus charges but they kept my notes.

    That's all for now.

    Oh, I'm Currently in Tucson AZ, can go Phoenix if your here and want to go play n share notes


    And to you nay Sayers, do not talk to me till you do the bet. We know u work for the casino or MFG n trying to convince us your not cheating.
    You try the bet, and tell your employer they have a bug in your program. How lame of a cheat. To always hit the first loser in the list and not randomize the listing of losers before picking hitting one. Busted. And no, I will notnconsider consulting gig to show you what else I know. I'm gonna share with my friends here so we can all profit off your mistakes cause I don't like cheaters or big companies.

    And there is a note to everyone,. When we find an exploit it must be run quickly cause a software update will address them globally as they find out.

    This is real 21st century big biz n big money. To think they are honest is ignorant.
     
  19. Mako

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    I had a friend who swore someone he knew endlessly hunted for Interblock G2 machines, which are older and mostly out of circulation now, because he claims that they stopped updating the software for them long ago and you can spot trends and tendencies in them similarly to VB.

    It doesn't surprise me that certain players are attempting to attack airball with pseudo-VB tactics, you'd imagine that as you say Ratt, when they're vulnerable and in-between updates you may be able to exploit whatever weakness you discovered.
     
  20. Ripple Ratt

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    I had nice system till they arrested me walking to bike. Said it was for suspicious behavior and searched my bike and me. Claimed to find a dirty baggie and took my camera bag with all my roulette notes and arrested me on drug charges. None of the charges lasted the 3 days I was in holding cell but it took me a month to get camera back and none of my roulette papers were in it.

    That system no longer works.

    I have learned one important thing about any betting system , Don't bet just the numbers, If you act like you know exactally what your doing that will trigger a counter measure. I find I can play longer but betting entire streets n splits that include a few extra numbers but hides my system better.

    If you go betting all numbers as duplicates
     
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