Roulette RNG vs Live spins

This thread is probably a waste of time to type out - I've said it all before and no one ever agrees.
But here goes...

RNG and a Live wheel with dealers produce the same results for most all system players.
Can a Bias wheel player exploit RNG ? Of course not. For system players though (which is the "other"
99.5% of people who play in a casino) there is NO difference.
Common sense should tell people this.

Each spin is independent from the last spin on both
The math is same on both, the payout is the same on both, the odds of any location appearing or not
is the same on both.
Random appears the same on both. A live wheel might show 13,13,13,13 and a RNG will do the same.
The only difference perhaps is that a RNG might be a more true form of random because it doesn't involve
mechanical devices or a human being which both influence random but don't change it long term at all.
The same patterns appear in both (there's no statistic that is different between the two)
If you play on a live table and lose you can always use the popular "the dealer was shooting against my numbers" and RNG you can lose and say "the RNG is fixed for me to lose" but these are meaningless.
A true method that works - works on either and produces the same result on either.
The casino could never offer RNG and a live wheel with the same odds and same payouts unless both games were equal long term for them. Think like your enemy - the casino.... "they" actually know there's no mathematical difference between the two (which is why the payout and odds are the same for both) - they are going to have the EXACT same house edge on either - they simply save $ on payroll (lol). The games have to be fair - the math has to be the same.

Now - in the cases of some online casinos from questionable whereabouts - of course things can be rigged against a player.. people should know better than to gamble at a online that isn't legit.
There are tons of legit online casinos that use RNG - but the people who believe they aren't fair seem to not understand that if their game isn't fair, they would be in a legal nightmare. The house has the edge - but now according to some - they need to cheat by having the software fixed even more in their favor ?. (which in the end would cost them dearly but supposedly they do it anyway to make a couple bucks extra lol)......

And now for the people who will post below that "I can tell the difference between RNG and actual spins" (and there's going to be some). NO you can't.
I can post as many spins as you want and NO, you won't know which is which. This is nonsense and no one with a ounce of a reputation or experience should say that they can tell the difference.
"Well, XYZ happens with RNG" - yes, and XYZ happens on live wheels.
This is as old as the forums have been around - people who claim that there is a difference between the two, while at the same time have no idea which is which when they look at them.
The results of whatever you're doing is going to be the same.
Whatever variables you think is different between the two can be found in either.

"This is RNG, I'm sure of it - because "random" did this......"
"This is a live wheel, I'm sure of it - because "random" did that....."
Don't listen to this nonsense - unless you have a defective wheel - you're playing the exact same random.
And in that crazy case of a defective wheel that is bias - the hot number system player will be cleaning up side by side with the bias "expert". Wait, that's the other thread.....

Thanks for reading - fight it out, but the truth is what it is.

 

Do you think that the video roulettes in our casinos are fair? with the hot women on the screens? blackjacks?

 

Anything in a legit casino HAS to be fair. They have rules. They also don't need to cheat - they have the edge already and no real shortage of people opening their wallets to buy-in. It they were caught cheating (which can be verified) then they have more to lose than whatever they would gain by rigging the game even more than it is already thanks to the math in their favor. Does it happen ? I'm sure in some places it's possible - but not the well known establishments no.

 

resorts at aqueduct has video blackjack and video roulette....i always questioned them...

 

More effectively than a system player could. The reason is the bias player has knowledge and access to software that can test the quality of the RNG and possibly exploit it's nonrandom seed. A good example would be the Russian team that exploited the RNG seeds in certain models of slot machines.

Actually that's not true. There are two examples that come to mind. The first involved the rand function in Windows 2000.The pseudo-random number generator used by Microsoft in Windows was flawed, according to security researchers. A team of cryptographers led by Dr. Benny Pinkas from the Department of Computer Science at the University of Haifa, Israel were able to unravel how the CryptGenRandom function Windows 2000 worked, without assistance …

Another example was the rand function in earlier versions of Excel. The random numbers generated to many within a specific range and were consequently too predictable. http://www.gla.ac.uk/external/RSS/RSScomp/sermierexcel.pdf

Actually that's also not true. I can handily tell the difference when a statistically relevant number of spins from an rng is compared to a live wheel. The shapes of the graphs, the standard deviations, and the chi square usually begin to diverge wildly when compared to an RNG... as the spin samples compared grow larger and larger. However, most people like you don't realize this because you've never really had access to a statistically relevant number of spins from a live wheel. After all, what's the largest sample of spins anyone on here has ever viewed from a real wheel? (And please, don't show me the German casinos downloads, as those are not from just one wheel, but rather several wheels that have been rotated in an out over an extended period of time.)

 

Such a touchy topic

Obviously there are RNG roulette scams out there

Mainly the over seas ones

I think turbo is smart enough to play on regulated ones

He lives in New Jersey where it's legal online

I think TG's logic is that if it's regulated by the state they wouldn't risk their license by rigging it when it already has an edge

That alone doesn't convince me

If I could see millions of real money RNG spins graphed next to millions of live wheel spins I'd feel better

I played electronic blackjack briefly the other day. Played basic strategy. Dealer busted twice with small cards which is to be expected....food for thought. This was at jakes 58

 

Did you play 6/5 bj or 3/2?

 

Another detail I missed because of rushed stay

 

Who doesn't fuckin know that when playing BJ? Rookie mistake.

Ken

 

LOL!
Someone is pissing on your leg, and you think it's raining!

First, you have no clue as to what the casinos can do, and they can do A LOT where it is NOT FAIR for the player.

Second, State Gaming (here in Nevada) is more about protecting the casinos from the players than looking out for the players.

The casino can do anything it wants with a game, as long as the return rate for the game, or bet, is over 75%. The duration of the return rate is up to the casino. So a machine can have a 90% return rate OVER THE LIFESPAN OF 20 YEARS! (case in point is Lions Pride at the MGM that they had to keep on the floor till someone hit the jackpot).

State Gaming says that as long as the games rules, features, and payouts are stated - IT IS LEGAL.

So...
Can a casino run a bias wheel? Sure, as long as it has a 75% return rate. Casinos won't do this because the players will catch on quick and use the bias.
Can the casinos cheat, rig games? Yes, they do it everyday. Video poker machines will recycle the discards back in to the draw and suppress flush wins, especially holding 4 to the flush. Even if you play a 99.5% machine perfectly, because of the rigging and cheating, you only get 97% return.
Casinos can change the difficulty factor of any slot machine. This difficulty factor is the return rate time frame. Most casinos set the difficulty factor to near max!
Casino Craps dice can be bought with degrees of unbalance to produce odd rolls and more Craps.
Casinos are known accuse anyone who is winning as a card counter at blackjack, and out they go. Seen it first hand many times!
Casinos are asking players who are winning to much to 'Not come back'. Southpoint in Las Vegas is famous for doing that to many players
Nothing is purely from an RNG. Everything is psudo-random, meaning there is a formula that will decide if a win happens or not based on casino need and overall hold in the casino. yep, the games are networked and controlled.
Online casinos in my opinion are 100% scams. Tribal casinos come in as a close 99% scam. Las Vegas casinos are 60% scam, there are still honest games here if you hunt for them.

 

I'm not a casino junkie like you

I went to check the place out and made a few bets and left

Unlike your sad/sorry ass, I don't message Steve that I'm losing money and need to try one of his computers. Because I'm a responsible player

How'd that work out? Did you ever get a cheating device?

 

Great - another poster telling me that I have no idea what I'm talking about.
34+ years but I have no idea what I'm talking about lol.
That might require a double facepalm.
Well, at least my prediction of replies to the thread was 100% spot on.

 

What's a statistically relevant number of spins?

I agree with TG here. There have been challenges on the forums to distinguish RNG outcomes from actual spins from a live wheel and nobody has been able to do it, including you.

@ Mark V,

I don't know about B & M casinos in LV but if an online casino (RNG) states the return for its roulette games is 97.3% then it should be just that. Otherwise they're breaking the law. There is a LOT of competition in the industry and why would they risk losing their licence? It's just paranoia, or "I've lost so they must be cheating", lol.

 

A statistically relevant number of spins. 20k, 30k, 50k, 100k.

I've never been offered or in such a challenge. For starters, none of you have ever tracked a live wheel to that many spins. I'm one of the few people that actually has access to such live wheel data. Most of the people here have probably never tracked more than a few hundred spins on a live wheel.

 

A little suggestion. Open ur iphone appstore and download Asd roulette . The playing board is red in colour. Have a fight with this little buddy first.

And by this time you should have idea anout b & m casino rng or vedio roulette.what they can do. I totally agree with mark v.

 

Unlike your sad/sorry ass, I don't message Steve when I had a complaint........"Someone is picking on me Stevie"!!!

Man the fuck up and take care of shit on your own playa.

Ken

 

This is so right.

 

Class action targets Interblock’s electronic craps commission

https://calvinayre.com/2017/01/27/casino/class-action-targets-interblock-electronic-craps/

Revel sued by gamblers who felt cheated by casino's "You Can't Lose" campaign
http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/revel_sued_by_gamblers_who_fel.html

There are zillions of lawsuits over games, promotions, etc.

Casinos, electronic game, and slot manufacturers screw up all the time.

 

There are always going to be - anyone who lost will sign right up for it instantly, who wouldn't ?
That doesn't make it a fixed/rigged game.
Since when does a lawsuit make something fact ? Lawyers will class-action sue anyone and everything because they know that there's always a chance the company will settle out of court. Watch 10 minutes of TV during the day lol.
"Injured at work ?" Call 1-800-CASH-BUCKS !!!!!!!!

 

The first starts out clearly saying "The players felt" (FELT). They lost and got mad. Wow, never happens lol.
The second was a promotion and had the "small print" that these dopes taking them to court didn't read. There's no deception there. (or in either story).
There are zillions of frivolous lawsuits every day - Lawyers can smell potential money, it's not a gamble to them. If Interblock or Revel pay it's because it would cost less than going to court over it - not because they are admitting to any wrong-doing.