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Roulette Single Dozen

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by baccarou, Aug 3, 2023.

  1. Punkcity

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  2. baccarou

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    There are plenty of options money management wise when looking for a parlay. I was thinking about some kind of up and pull where you can take your unit back on the first win and then invest the other 2 units for the second bet. I am going to read the STAR MM again and see if I can come up with a similar modified version for the single dozens.

    Below is just a straight up 20 step progression looking for a parlay which costs 49 units.

    1. 1 = 3/9. +8 / -1.
    2. 1 = 3/9. +7 / -2.
    3. 1 = 3/9. +6 / -3.
    4. 1 = 3/9. +5 / -4.
    5. 1 = 3/9. +4 / -5.
    6. 1 = 3/9. +3 / -6.
    7. 1 = 3/9. +2 / -7.
    8. 1 = 3/9. +1 / -8.
    9. 2 = 6/18. +8 / -10.
    10. 2 = 6/18. +6 / -12.
    11. 2 = 6/18. +4 / -14.
    12. 2 = 6/18. +2 / -16.
    13. 3 = 9/27. +8 / -19.
    14. 3 = 9/27. +5 / -22.
    15. 3 = 9/27. +2 / -25.
    16. 4 = 12/36. +7 / -29.
    17. 4 = 12/36. +3 / -33.
    18. 5 = 15/45. +7 / -38.
    19. 5 = 15/45. +2 / -43.
    20. 6 = 18/54. +5 / -49.
     
  3. gizmotron

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    Your progression does not make sense to me. I also transposed my own from what I think it means to me and to be used at a table with a $5 minimum bet as the starting point.

    1. 1 = 5/15. +10 / -5.
    2. 1 = 5/15. +5 / -10.
    3. 1 = 5/15. +0 / -15.
    4. 2 = 10/30. +15 / -25.
    5. 2 = 10/30. +5 / -35.
    6. 3 = 15/45. +10 / -50.
    7. 4 = 20/60. +10 / -70.
    8. 5 = 25/75. +5 / -95.
    9. 7 = 35/105. +10 / -130.
    10. 9 = 45/135. +5 / -175.

    It only has 10 steps, it's a negative progression parlay.

    I could be wrong and don't understand your progression.
     
  4. baccarou

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    The 20 step starts with a 1 unit bet and you are looking to win 2 in a row and so bet 1 unit, win and then parlay the 3 units, win again and you have 9 units for a profit of 8 units. If you lose any first stage bet, then just move up to the next step.

    All the steps are designed so that you will make some profit should you win on any of them. Your progression looks like you are just looking for 1 win whereas I am looking for two in a row.

    A 30 step parlay doing it my way costs 174 units and so there is quite a jump from step 20-30 costing an extra 125 units should you lose all 30 steps.

    If I wasn't bothered about looking for a parlay, there are several good MM strategies out there like the Divisor or Holloway.
     
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  5. baccarou

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    It's a bit strange because the casino I play at is the only casino in a major city with a healthy proportion of the punters Asian/Chinese who are pretty partial to a game of Baccarat. Go 15-20 miles to the next big city and they have 3/4 tables operating and it's hard to get a seat and it belongs to the same company! :banghead:
     
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    Looking at a lot of my data, I don't think it would be a good idea to attempt to pull off any more than a parlay for the single dozens, I wouldn't go looking for 3 in a row. That might be pushing it a bit and you are going to get some inconsistency.
     
  7. gizmotron

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    Yes, two in a row is far more common.
     

  8. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here are 100 spins in a row, charted in my practice software. There are instances of two in a row all over the place in these 100 spins.

    Code:
    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P | 
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    | X       |    X    |       X | P | -- 5
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 24
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    |    X    |       X |       X | P | -- 18
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 12
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    | X       |    X    |    X    |   | -- 8
    | X       | X       |    X    | P | -- 4
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 12
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    |    X    |       X |       X |   | -- 21
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   | -- 20
    |       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    |       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    |       X |       X | X       | P | -- 27
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |       X |       X | X       |   | -- 36
    |       X |    X    |       X | P | -- 32
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   | -- 29
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 38
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |    X    |       X |       X |   | -- 21
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
    |       X | X       | X       |   | -- 25
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 19
    |       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 19
    | X       | X       |    X    | P | -- 4
    |       X |    X    |       X | P | -- 32
    |       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    | X       |    X    |       X | P | -- 5
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   | -- 20
    | X       |       X |       X | P | -- 6
    |    X    | X       | X       |   | -- 13
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   | -- 23
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   | -- 23
    |    X    |       X |       X | P | -- 18
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 12
    |       X |       X | X       |   | -- 36
    |    X    | X       | X       |   | -- 13
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   | -- 29
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    | X       | X       | X       |   | -- 10
    | X       | X       | X       | P | -- 1
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    | X       | X       |    X    | P | -- 4
    |       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
    | X       |    X    |    X    |   | -- 8
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33
    |       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    | X       | X       |    X    | P | -- 4
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33
    | X       |       X | X       |   | -- 9
    | X       |       X | X       |   | -- 9
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   | -- 16
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    | X       | X       |    X    | P | -- 4
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33
    |       X |       X | X       |   | -- 36
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   | -- 23
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    
    
     
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  9. gizmotron

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    All I have to do is transpose your 20 step two in a row progression to $5 starting points. That would be 1 becomes 5 and so forth.
     
  10. baccarou

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    That's it, yes! So the 20 step at $5 units requires a $245 bankroll.

    1. 5 = 15/45. +40 / -5
    2. 5 = 15/45. +35 / -10
    3. 5 = 15/45. +30 / -15
    4. 5 = 15/45. +25 / -20
    5. 5 = 15/45. +20 / -25
    6. 5 = 15/45. +15 / -30
    7. 5 = 15/45. +10 / -35
    8. 5 = 15/45. +5 / -40
    9. 10 = 30/90. +40 / -50
    10. 10 = 30/90. +30 / -60
    11. 10 = 30/90. +20 / -70
    12. 10 = 30/90. +10 / -80
    13. 15 = 45/135. +40 / -95
    14. 15 = 45/135. +30 / -110
    15. 15 = 45/135. +15 / -125
    16. 20 = 60/180. +35 / -145
    17. 20 = 60/180. +15 / -165
    18. 25 = 75/225. +35 / -190
    19. 25 = 75/225. +10 / -215
    20. 30 = 90/270. +25 / -245
     
  11. gizmotron

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    Here is from yesterday's trip to the casino live playing chart. Thanks for transposing your progression. I'll run it at home to see how it would have done.

    livePlayChart.png

    livePlayChart.png
     
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    BTW, I won on the Turbo hottest number #22 as it hit inside the secret several times. It was funded by the other bets. I was blown away when it happened. Way to go TurboGenius.

    The zeros went on the rampage too. I got a lot from them.
     
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    This progression is so cool. I can't imagine not hitting a double in a row in 20 tries. I have nine dozens to select from and you just have to hit two guesses in a row. They can be from any of the nine dozens. I should extend this to include a fourth grouping. There is room on the index card for one more grouping. It should come from the streets or double streets I think. Four streets are a dozen. I might figure out a five street system for those bets. Gotta have 5 chips for a minimum bet. One way would be to use $6 for a progression.
     
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    How fast could you throw together your progression for $6 as the base starting point?
     

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    I will do a $6 one, not a problem. You are right! I can pretty much say with a lot of confidence that I am going to hit a parlay within 20 attempts.
    30 attempts and it's pretty much cast iron.

    I ran you through your spins, thanks for posting them and there were quite a few winning parlays. Of course, they come in all shapes sizes but as you say yourself, it's having the ability to spot them that counts. You can't play what you are unable to see and the more you can actually see, the more clear cut opportunities will be staring you in the face. I suppose that's why a lot of Baccarat players like using the derived roads because that's basically all I am doing in roulette as well.
     
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    There is room on the index card for from this " W| 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | L H"

    to this | 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | 1 2 3 |

    I just have to come up with that fourth grouping. It could be three quad bets on the inside for each set. It could be two double streets or four street bets. Just have to make up a fourth grouping with three sets.
     
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    As my old friend used to say, it's easy! all you have to do is to play the right sequence of spins!
     
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    1. 6 = 18/54. +48 / -6
    2. 6 = 18/54. +42 / -12
    3. 6 = 18/54. +36 / -18
    4. 6 = 18/54. +30 / -24
    5. 6 = 18/54. +24 / -30
    6. 6 = 18/54. +18 / -36
    7. 6 = 18/54. +12 / -42
    8. 6 = 18/54. +6 / -48
    9. 12 = 36/108. +48 / -60
    10. 12 = 36/108. +36 / -72
    11. 12 = 36/108. +24 / -84
    12. 12 = 36/108. +12 / -96
    13. 18 = 54/162. +48 / -114
    14. 18 = 54/162. +30 / -132
    15. 18 = 54/162. +12 / -150
    16. 24 = 72/216. +42 / -174
    17. 24 = 72/216. +18 / -198
    18. 30 = 90/270. +50 / -220
    19. 30 = 90/270. +20 / -250
    20. 36 = 108/324. +38 / -286
     
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    I'm going to go with the 6 splits bet on the inside. I can place one chip on each split for the base value bets. After that everything is manageable as the bankroll increases.
     
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    I get what you are saying but ultimately to win consistently, you have to reach a point where whatever sequence of spins comes out, you can find the winning spot to place your chip/s more often than not.

    Take Gizmo's spins from above. They never hit 3 in a row until towards the end. There was also a super strong FTL in one of the 'derived' roads that I used. The next set of spins will likely be different but it doesn't matter much because there will nearly always be something that shows up.
     

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